Fedora 38 Beta Released With Many Exciting Updates

[_r00t-]

That's unlikely. By the time 6.3 is released Fedora 38 will be frozen and certainly not accepting a major kernel upgrade. It will be offered in the weeks following the release of F38, for sure.

Fedora 37 was about to get released with kernel 5.19 but it was delayed as usual so they were decided to release it with kernel 6.0 (Freeze Exceptions).

[klapaucius]

I believe they'll release Fedora 38 stable in May with kernel 6.3.0

That's unlikely. By the time 6.3 is released Fedora 38 will be frozen and certainly not accepting a major kernel upgrade. It will be offered in the weeks following the release of F38, for sure.

[eagleoneraptor]

That's not enough info to conclude that the issues are shared given that Endless has several other local patches. To understand the distinction, do what I suggested earlier, when you have a problem again, try pkcon on the command line.

Thanks, I'll do that.

[_r00t-]

I believe they'll release Fedora 38 stable in May with kernel 6.3.0

[RahulSundaram]

I'm not really talking about rendering time or things like that, on Fedora at least, I've seen so many times hangs because repos never finish refreshing so GNOME Software gets stuck forever, the only solution there is to kill gnome-software and PackageKit processes. I think the issues are shared, for example, GNOME Software woking only with Flathub enabled and nothing else (the Endless OS case, more or less, which is Flathub and their own Flatpak repo), it never hangs, it's always quick, it's like the day and night .

That's not enough info to conclude that the issues are shared given that Endless has several other local patches. To understand the distinction, do what I suggested earlier, when you have a problem again, try pkcon on the command line.

[eagleoneraptor]

GNOME Software performance is unrelated to PackageKit (to confirm this, try pkcon on the command line or run some basic profiling) and the performance issues are being addressed elsewhere.

I'm not really talking about rendering time or things like that, on Fedora at least, I've seen so many times hangs because repos never finish refreshing so GNOME Software gets stuck forever, the only solution there is to kill gnome-software and PackageKit processes. I think the issues are shared, for example, GNOME Software woking only with Flathub enabled and nothing else (the Endless OS case, more or less, which is Flathub and their own Flatpak repo), it never hangs, it's always quick, it's like the day and night.

OTOH, what a bad approach is to always having to sync all the repo metadata (and appstream!) to use the Software center instead of using APIs for querying what's needed, it doesn't scale too well, I wonder what would happen when Flathub have 20k apps or something.

[avis]

I was quite disappointed with version 37 because its boot times increased threefold on my laptop due to some changes in systemd (not being addressed as no one gives a f) and GTK (no NVIDIA here, I'm all Intel), I wanna hope this regression is less prominent in Fedora 38.

[RahulSundaram]

DNF5 will be available as well through the Microdnf binary!

I hope Fedora devs implement a dnfdaemon plugin for gnome-software and ditch PackageKit in the future, maybe we are finally close of a non-hanging and fast gnome-software experience?

GNOME Software performance is unrelated to PackageKit (to confirm this, try pkcon on the command line or run some basic profiling) and the performance issues are being addressed elsewhere.

[eagleoneraptor]

DNF5 will be available as well through the Microdnf binary!

I hope Fedora devs implement a dnfdaemon plugin for gnome-software and ditch PackageKit in the future, maybe we are finally close of a non-hanging and fast gnome-software experience?

[klapaucius]

Just to note: Fedora 38 Beta is not on-time, it's a week early. See https://fedorapeople.org/groups/sche...key-tasks.html for the formal schedule.

I'm sure they are still on track to release late, as usual