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  • lkocman
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    Originally posted by skeevy420 View Post
    Thanks, I wasn't sure if I read that as a possibility or as a sure thing. Do you happen to know if the replacement will be ALP or something else?
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    I'd not say the last traditional release as ALP will have also regular release schedule (release cadence not yet confirmed), but rather the last openSUSE release based on SLES 15 code stream.
    There will be 15 SP6, 15 SP7, we just don't have capacity to work on all fronts, so we will do some overlap and focus on ALP instead of Leap see my slides https://en.opensuse.org/images/6/61/...l-Workshop.pdf

    SUSE positions ALP as a parallel offering rather than successor to SLE 15 product family. We'll have to do similar positioning on the openSUSE community side.
    The differences will be relatively big, most of system components (yast, firewall etc) will now run in containers, utilization of flatpaks ... so migration won't be easily doable. Although Richard has worked on scripts for Leap / TW migration to MicroOS (we could start from there).

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  • skeevy420
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    Originally posted by lproven View Post

    AFAICT it will be Tumbleweed. And nothing else.
    I've done a tiny bit of searching and I don't think anything concrete has been said. I've seen a few things that unofficially hint that the next versions of Leap and SLE will be based on ALP, but that's it and even they seem to be guesses. I'd be cool if both Leap and Tumbleweed got the immutable root treatment.

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  • lproven
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    Originally posted by skeevy420 View Post

    Thanks, I wasn't sure if I read that as a possibility or as a sure thing. Do you happen to know if the replacement will be ALP or something else?
    AFAICT it will be Tumbleweed. And nothing else.

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  • lkocman
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    Originally posted by Malsabku View Post
    I criticise that x86_64-v3 isn't used. So now modern computers cannot use there full power and efficency because the system is compiled with old parameters. This is a waste of energy especially in this times.
    There is a plan to support v3 through hwcaps. You have two groups of people. Those who would like to get the most out of new hardware, and those being super noisy and threatening to leave project we drop support for old hardware (like v1 only). The choice of x86_64-v2 + v3 or perhaps even v4 over hwcaps (https://news.opensuse.org/2022/09/26...vel-x86_64-v2/) seems like best compromise in exactly this timeframe.

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  • skeevy420
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    Originally posted by Leinad View Post

    I am not from SUSE, but it was confirmed multiple times, that Leap 15.5 is the last traditional version.
    Thanks, I wasn't sure if I read that as a possibility or as a sure thing. Do you happen to know if the replacement will be ALP or something else?

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  • skeevy420
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    Originally posted by kylew77 View Post

    Yep it is, didn't know we were allowed to use Damn on the forums. Intel has always held back the atom lineup and other value oriented SKUs. My first laptop was one my grandpa got me with an atom inside that was 32bit running windows xp in 2009! 2009 and a 32bit CPU with sata drive running in IDE mode, eMachines should have been ashamed that was my laptop for college. Next I get to grad school and obviously need a replacement for the atom and get an Acer Chromebook 15 that is miles better but still lacks AES-NI instruction set so is a little slow (because Chromebooks use FDE for the /home directory). It goes end of life and my mom helps me get a new Chromebook with a Jasper Lake and I'm like here I go again! So Yeah I've been bitten several times by Intel's crap SKUs of processors
    Shit, man, there are a lot of fucking words you can use on these forums. Pretty much all of Carlin's 7 dirty words and words considered hate speech are allowed.

    What's funny is a lot of us get flagged when using p#ac#ful words like [email protected] and fr!#ndsh!p. The forum's censor bot has its own special logic about things.

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  • StefanBruens
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    Originally posted by Malsabku View Post
    I criticise that x86_64-v3 isn't used. So now modern computers cannot use there full power and efficency because the system is compiled with old parameters. This is a waste of energy especially in this times.
    1. glibc already uses multiversioning, so it uses newer instructions where there is a benefit
    2. lots of other packages do the same, either using GCCs (now also in Clang) native function multiversioning, or using some home-grown dispatcher.
    3. lots of software does not benefit from newer instruction sets

    In the few cases where the package is not using dispatching of any kind **and** would benefit from AVX-512, you can still rebuild this single package with better optimization (and then even incorporate changes which are not covered by instruction set alone, but also considers cache sizes, instruction latency, ...).

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  • kylew77
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    Originally posted by skeevy420 View Post

    Damn shame, ain't it? You'd think the market leader wouldn't be the one releasing the products that hold everyone back by 10 years.
    Yep it is, didn't know we were allowed to use Damn on the forums. Intel has always held back the atom lineup and other value oriented SKUs. My first laptop was one my grandpa got me with an atom inside that was 32bit running windows xp in 2009! 2009 and a 32bit CPU with sata drive running in IDE mode, eMachines should have been ashamed that was my laptop for college. Next I get to grad school and obviously need a replacement for the atom and get an Acer Chromebook 15 that is miles better but still lacks AES-NI instruction set so is a little slow (because Chromebooks use FDE for the /home directory). It goes end of life and my mom helps me get a new Chromebook with a Jasper Lake and I'm like here I go again! So Yeah I've been bitten several times by Intel's crap SKUs of processors

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  • Leinad
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    Originally posted by skeevy420 View Post
    Does anyone from SUSE know if the end-game is to replace LEAP with this?
    I am not from SUSE, but it was confirmed multiple times, that Leap 15.5 is the last traditional version.

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  • Malsabku
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    I criticise that x86_64-v3 isn't used. So now modern computers cannot use there full power and efficency because the system is compiled with old parameters. This is a waste of energy especially in this times.

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