Windows 11 vs. Linux Performance For Intel Core i9 12900K In Mid-2022

[coder]

As for readahead behavior, both linux and windows have that.

Uh, but what about the actual read-ahead parameters? Last I checked, the default amount of read-ahead on Linux was pretty low.

[HEL88]

respectively 8% if you consider CL.

Yes, yes and now everybody have Clear Linux on yours desktop.

How much does this cost if you simply buy the next better cpu to achieve the same perfomance?

4-8% change is not felt. No one change CPU/GUP to speed up 4-8%

But I on Windows may use e.g. Adobe Premiere and Afterworks you not. You use shitty program. And this better program speed ME up a lot only not 4%.

[NobodyXu]

Uh, but what about the actual read-ahead parameters? Last I checked, the default amount of read-ahead on Linux was pretty low.

Sorry I didn't know that, but compression algorithms like zstd read the file twice.

First to build a dictionary, then use the dictionary do the actual compression.

The building of the dictionary often involves calculation of frequency or other statistics.

[birdie]

What about disk performance? Windows loses immediately.
Windows 10 takes 3 minutes to boot up on HDD, and then every disk operation takes so damn long.
Not even APFS on HDD is this slow.

Can't confirm. W10 boots in fewer than 20 from HDD seconds on my PC. Again, people love to perpetuate myths.

[birdie]

I couldn't care less about what you hear or don't. Dynamic clocking of Nvidia Windows driver is mediocre at best, and at least D3D11VA VP9 in Firefox 103 has presentation timing issues. Usually people like you are who claim not to notice anything just lack perception or experience how to test things. Your opinion is that of a clueless and willingly dumb peasant, it doesn't matter at all.

HW accelerated video decoding just fucking works in Windows, period, no matter how much shit you wanna make up. Your opinion is worth shit because you cannot fucking prove your words with anything. Dynamic clocking for NVIDIA Windows drivers works a lot better than for their Linux drivers.

Linux fanatics continue to prove and scream that they live in a fucking alternative reality where Linux rocks and Windows sucks. IRL however it's the exact opposite. Outside of benchmarks, of course. All people do is running these benchmarks and cry over 4% Windows disadvantage. OMFG.

Also, I've BL'ed you. Enough with blabbering frothing idiots.

[NobodyXu]

Can't confirm. W10 boots in fewer than 20 from HDD seconds on my PC. Again, people love to perpetuate myths.

I once installed Windows To Go on my portable HDD, and it took almost 1m to boot, login feels sluggish and it is not usable until another minute or so after login.

Even then, starting a software would be slow.

[birdie]

I once installed Windows To Go on my portable HDD, and it took almost 1m to boot, login feels sluggish and it is not usable until another minute or so after login.

Even then, starting a software would be slow.

Portable HDDs are normally 5400rpm thus slow and doubly so since they feature 2.5" platters. Linux won't be drastically faster. Also, people at most boot once a day. Maybe we could stop with this. Most people have long migrated to SSDs as their system disks.

No idea why and how this discussion has turned into something nearly 100% tangential.

[stormcrow]

Kinda interesting how we're 4 pages into the comments and so far nobody has even mentioned, let alone considered why, zstd at low levels is massively faster on W11.

My guess would be that it's predominantly readahead behavior on NTFS vs ext4 rather than anything CPU-related, but that's very much WAG.

Parallelism and concurrency in I/O access. A lot of older software issues I/O requests in blocking sys calls so they're inherently slow. I'm willing to bet that zstd is utilizing highly parallel I/O calls to speed up the process - that is, they're utilizing newer APIs. As I've said before, if the developers know what they're doing don't lay money on Linux always being faster than Windows.

[Weasel]

HW accelerated video decoding just fucking works in Windows, period, no matter how much shit you wanna make up. Your opinion is worth shit because you cannot fucking prove your words with anything. Dynamic clocking for NVIDIA Windows drivers works a lot better than for their Linux drivers.

Neither can you prove it, so shut the hell up. You're so fucking cringe.

Both of us can post anecdotal evidence that "it just works" and then what?

Linux fanatics continue to prove and scream that they live in a fucking alternative reality where Linux rocks and Windows sucks. IRL however it's the exact opposite.

You can't possibly be serious. Windows becomes worse and worse while Linux becomes better and better and you still go on?

Don't get me wrong here I do agree that Linux userland (not the kernel) is an incompatible joke of a mess, but it's becoming better (also Wine is pretty good these days). But that's also not Linux's fault but rather software built for it (libraries are software too).

You talk about Windows simply because it has a stable API but you forget that this is a relic of the past. It was there for Windows XP, for Windows 7, and Microsoft keep trying to deprecate it (and fail), so what the fuck do you find good about newer Windows (i.e. after 10) when it goes against anything good you consider from it versus Linux?

Please tell me you aren't serious and consider UWP better than Linux. (and that's what Microsoft tried to push)

Outside of benchmarks, of course.

Hold on there champ. Weren't YOU the one who was bragging about Microsoft investing millions into optimizing Windows 11? Now that you lost what YOU claimed, it doesn't matter anymore?

Typical cringe clown.

Legit I usually tried to agree with you when whining about userland compatibility and libraries because Linux clearly has flaws but your Windows fanboyism is on another level entirely.

Let's not forget the pathetic spyware and crap built into it. Can you say with certainty you know what disk access Windows does at any point when it writes constantly to the disk?

I can on my Linux machine.

[AZKev]

Plenty of anecdotal claims here. MSFT is a customer and I’m constantly amazed at the number of their programmers running various Linux desktop distress when I’m in Redmond. As for me, I’ve been running Windows in VM for at least 10 years for the times I need to work with customers’ files ala Visio. Seems that baselines day Linux still has an advantage, but for me using laptops as a critical tool in huge enterprise management, the advantages across the board drive me to my Linux as OS, Windows in VM when necessary.