Ubuntu 22.04 LTS Planning To Stick With Linux 5.15 By Default

[skeevy420]

It’s optional, that’s the thing. Only advanced users who are trying to squeeze a few more fps should be tinkering with PPAs and such. But it’s not rocket science, either. However what happens is they forget about maintenance and cleanup and all that cruft builds up and bloats the OS and causes issues. That’s why a fresh install mostly “just works.”

This is also why Michael runs benchmarks with default settings. You have no control of what a user does after they install an OS.

20.04 LTS is only from 04/20, that’s not ancient. Mesa and the kernel were in a good place then. But yes they’re in a better place now, but users can update to the new LTS in a couple months and get all improvements.

Hell, frigging Ubuntu offers this checkbox called HWE that'll give the user basically the same stuff that the PPAs offer...kernels and mesa and shit like that; stuff might be a hair older because it's the stable release, not the -git version.

Y'all Ubuntu users don't even need to use the "add moar PPAs" defense these days.

[perpetually high]

Hell, frigging Ubuntu offers this checkbox called HWE that'll give the user basically the same stuff that the PPAs offer...kernels and mesa and shit like that; stuff might be a hair older because it's the stable release, not the -git version.

Y'all Ubuntu users don't even need to use the "add moar PPAs" defense these days.

That's fair, lol. These are the PPAs I currently use on 21.10, haven't needed anything other than these. And even then, these aren't *necessary* for daily operation.

$ l /etc/apt/sources.list.d/
archive_uri-https_dl_winehq_org_wine-builds_ubuntu_-impish.list
dropbox.list
google-chrome.list
lunarg-vulkan-focal.list
oibaf-ubuntu-graphics-drivers-impish.list
openrazer-ubuntu-stable-impish.list
pipewire-debian-ubuntu-pipewire-upstream-impish.list
protonvpn-stable.list
spotify.list
sublime-text.list
ubuntuhandbook1-ubuntu-gvfs-impish.list
ubuntu-toolchain-r-ubuntu-test-impish.list

[skeevy420]

That's fair, lol. These are the PPAs I currently use on 21.10, haven't needed anything other than these. And even then, these aren't *necessary* for daily operation.

$ l /etc/apt/sources.list.d/
archive_uri-https_dl_winehq_org_wine-builds_ubuntu_-impish.list
dropbox.list
google-chrome.list
lunarg-vulkan-focal.list
oibaf-ubuntu-graphics-drivers-impish.list
openrazer-ubuntu-stable-impish.list
pipewire-debian-ubuntu-pipewire-upstream-impish.list
protonvpn-stable.list
spotify.list
sublime-text.list
ubuntuhandbook1-ubuntu-gvfs-impish.list
ubuntu-toolchain-r-ubuntu-test-impish.list

Looks to be mostly drivers, proprietary things not offered in the repos, and some "I've read Phoronix in the past week or two" entries:

That's the same as what I use the AUR for

[Volta]

You can't have both at the same time, unless you are able to spend billions of $¥€ like Microsoft and Apple are doing.

M$ and apple don't have this either.

[gfunk]

Ubuntu for gaming? With old Gnome (as for now) without gaming performance improvements, Kernel and mesa? Good joke. Fedora FTW.

It's the ONLY distro Valve officially support, that's why people game on it

[reba]

As a Debian user I can understand the selection of 5.25 for LTS Ubuntu.

I just wonder - why Ubuntu at all? Snaps, Lock-In, Canonical... why? also upstream Debian provides Gnome, KDE, XFCE et al from a single distribution without spreading it thin with Kubuntu, Xubuntu spin-offs; they're just packages on a base system, after all.

[Linuxxx]

As a Debian user I can understand the selection of 5.25 for LTS Ubuntu.

I just wonder - why Ubuntu at all? Snaps, Lock-In, Canonical... why? also upstream Debian provides Gnome, KDE, XFCE et al from a single distribution without spreading it thin with Kubuntu, Xubuntu spin-offs; they're just packages on a base system, after all.

Simple, my dear Debian upstream:

Ubuntu is the only LTS distro that also provides an official 1000 Hz + PREEMPT Linux kernel (lowlatency), which just so happens to be a very nice fit for gaming purposes, aswell as provide for an overall better desktop experience, too.

Just can't find this much convenience on any other enterprise-focused distro out there, that's all!

[Danny3]

By the time Ubuntu 22.04 is released the kernel will be 2 releases old.
Awful as always, especially if you have somewhat newer hardware.
Ubuntu clearly doesn't care about performance, gaming or otherwise and of course it doesn't care about hardware compatibility ans support.
And combined with the disgusting forced push of Snap crap on everybody, this release will be double awful than usual!

[mdedetrich]

It's the ONLY distro Valve officially support, that's why people game on it

Currently yes, but the steam deck is arch based so this will likely change when its released

Simple, my dear Debian upstream:

Ubuntu is the only LTS distro that also provides an official 1000 Hz + PREEMPT Linux kernel (lowlatency), which just so happens to be a very nice fit for gaming purposes, aswell as provide for an overall better desktop experience, too.

Just can't find this much convenience on any other enterprise-focused distro out there, that's all!

Yeah unfortunately a huge amount of game/performance related changes have landed in kernel after 5.15 (see Valve's recent upstream work for steam deck).

I also don't see this work from Valve as temporary so it seems like for the ongoing future Valve will stick with rolling release distro.

[t.s.]

..For noobs, and my experienced ass for that matter, it's easier to leverage Steam than it is to install a shitload of old libraries and write launch scripts to use tweaked $PATHs.

Ubuntu, Arch, Fedora, Slackware, Manjaro, Gentoo, Mageia, Tumbleweed. It doesn't really matter which when we're essentially constrained to how well the Steam Runtime performs

Because Steam includes all those shitload old and 32bit libraries so us using it doesn't have to. Kinda like snaps etc. The apps itself have their own libraries. So there won't be incompatibilities caused by libraries.