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  • Sonadow
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    Originally posted by okapi View Post
    Centos Stream 9 has already been available for several weeks.

    I've been running it in a VM for testing, to ensure our ansible playbooks will be ready for RHEL 9 and to experiment with FreeIPA. While it's a pity they dropped classic Centos, I see the existence of stream as being a useful thing in the long term.
    Stream definitely makes more sense than Debian and OpenSuse Leap where up-to-dateness is concerned.

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  • Sonadow
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    Originally posted by mroche View Post
    browseria A correction: CentOS Stream only has a 5 year lifecycle (more like 5.5-6 if you include pre-RHEL GA). Stream is only relevant while RHEL has minor updates, which end 5 years into the 10 year lifecycle with n.10. When the five years are up you can either transition to a new Stream release, or RHEL/clone project.[/URL]

    Cheers,
    Mike
    That's already more than enough. Not every RHEL release is lucky enough to get a .10 release. RHEL 7 goes no further than 7.9 and even now nobody knows if RHEL 8 will progress beyond 8.6.

    Besides, Red Hat also makes it clear they will provide little support for any release that has reached the Maintenance Support Phase and beyond. Which is also roughly about 5 to 6 years into the life of a RHEL release. So it's practically the same thing.

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  • abufrejoval
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    Originally posted by bash2bash View Post
    R.I.P. centos! Thank you for the past decades. Of course we are not going to be beta testers for Redhat (at least not without payment). Branding your beta Stream as CentOS is an insult.

    Already migrated to AlmaLinux. Nice to meet you Alma
    I wish it was that simple for oVirt ("RHV Stream").

    That has already been very lousy in terms of quality, but at least it was beta-on-prod and received some minimal integration testing.

    With oVirt going with a Stream default base, it's building beta-on-beta and Alma/Rocky underneath may be tested even less before it becomes RHV.

    Yeah and no word on Oracle moving past oVirt 4.3.10: The only thing that gets updated is the copyright date on the docs: Not a word of committment since oVirt 4.4 got announced in July 2020. Could have well been their "Oracle Virtualization" business IBM really tried to torpedo.

    Too bad they don't understand that the size of the community may be more important than trying to squeeze revenues from people who already decided against licensing: It's not always about greed (except with Oracle, of course).

    Sticking with COS7 and oVirt 4.3 until 2023 and hoping for an alternative until then.

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  • abufrejoval
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    Originally posted by skeevy420 View Post
    The CentOS Project is delighted to announce the next CentOS Stream distribution - CentOS Stream 9.

    Now some educated, professional, dumbass will install CentOS Stream 9, think that's good enough, and never run an update. Look at dumbass Linus Tech Tips if you think I'm joking.

    I hope Stream runs forced updates by default to save dumbasses from themselves. Real nerds with real nerd reasons can turn it off if necessary.
    I wish forced updates were a good idea. However that would require them to work afterwards.

    It used to be the case at least CentOS5 through CentOS7, but my experience with CentOS8 has been rather different.

    I was running oVirt and after a kernel update around Chistmas 2020 I lost not only my 2.5 and 5.0 Gbit/s USB3-Ethernet adapters, but also VDO (the dedup and compression modules), leaving the HCI farm dead in the water until I could figure out how many things got broken with one update.

    Far too many people messing around in different parts of Redhat, nobody doing full stack testing, except the users. Exactly the reason why moving CentOS upstream of RHEL means killing it.

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  • spanky
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    Originally posted by Setif View Post
    If I have understood well:
    Fedora = RHEL Beta
    CentOS Stream = RHEL RC
    From around F19 to F33, Fedora was like a RHEL beta/RC, newer packages but generally quite stable with only occasional minor problems. F34 and F35 took us back to the Fedora Core days where it was a distro for people who want to alpha-test RHEL, and are willing to tolerate prolonged periods of brokenness for the privilege. Bleeding edge GCC loaded with bugs, Pipewire, the Wayland experience is worse now than it was 5 years ago.

    Given this, I have been looking for an alternative and hoped I could switch to CentOS Stream 9. But it is missing too many packages for serious workstation use, even with EPEL and RPM Fusion for el8 enabled. I would definitely consider deploying CentOS Stream 9 in an enterprise setting, but at home I am sticking with my original plan to ride out F34 until Ubuntu 22.04. Maybe in a year or 3 I will return to Fedora.

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  • You-
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    Originally posted by SteamPunker View Post
    Seriously, I appreciate all the contributions both IBM and Red Hat have made to Linux and Open Source over the years (nay, decades), but acquiring CentOS and then effectively killing it was not cool, and caused a lot of problems for a lot of people and organizations. Serious goodwill was squandered here, sorry to say.
    They "bought" Centos after it had already died as a community project. You may not remember but there was a massive delay in releasing Centos 6 and it was only done after Red Hat donated its build system to Centos. Before then they were failing and alternatives like scientific linux had already abandoned their own rebuild.

    They tried to revive it and build a community but it is evident there wasnt enough community interest at the time. Even now with Alma and Rocky etc, Centos does the heavy lifting by managing the source repository.

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  • MadeUpName
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    Originally posted by Anvil View Post

    if you have used Fedora, there aint any difference, Fedora has always been a Test Bed for RHEL
    Truth be told so has Centos. The gap just wasn't as large before but Centos patches often went out before Redhat released them.

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  • Anvil
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    Originally posted by bash2bash View Post
    R.I.P. centos! Thank you for the past decades. Of course we are not going to be beta testers for Redhat (at least not without payment). Branding your beta Stream as CentOS is an insult.

    Already migrated to AlmaLinux. Nice to meet you Alma
    if you have used Fedora, there aint any difference, Fedora has always been a Test Bed for RHEL

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  • pipe13
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    mroche Yes, just that. Click https://www.centos.org/centos-stream/, click "Download" to find https://www.centos.org/download/, select "CentOS Stream" and "9" and "x86_64". Maybe it's just me, but my Chrome then immediately shows me a "save download" widget with "CentOS-Stream-9-latest-x86_64-dvd1.iso" which downloads readily enough and certainly looks promising, but without a checksum it's hard to say for sure. It isn't obvious how to get to https://mirrors.centos.org/ from https://www.centos.org/centos-stream/.

    -Ed

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  • mroche
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    pipe13 Ah, I see. Sorry for misunderstanding, and thank you for providing feedback! There are a number of changes that will likely hit that page in the very near future to make things cleaner and more accessible.

    Thanks again for your feedback! For my own understanding, the issue is a) from the checksums point of view, there is no signed file, e.g. checksums.asc, and b) the checksums aren't directly available on the Stream downloads page?

    Cheers,
    Mike

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