Ubuntu 21.10 Beta Released

[Melcar]

Are they really going snap only for Firefox on this release?

[puffpuff]

so with all the groaning about the (clearly bad) kernel choice - what's the problem with strapping xanmod on top?
myself no have problems with that route in the past - anything I should be scared of?

[Sonadow]

And what is stopping the user from building their own 5.15rc2 or newer on 21.10?

Don't Linux users love to boast that they have a much higher level of competence than those on Windows?

[horizonbrave]

do you please know if rollbacks to a specific snapshot are enabled in grub UI if installing with ZFS or btrfs?

[Drol]

Same Fedora bug...
Crash connecting external monitor with Wayland + NVidia
Returning to KDE Neon

[sverris]

5.13? That's EOL. They've been making terrible kernel decisions. 5.8 also is what they were also using for the AMD package.

I actually tried supporting 5.8 kernel in my script. Didn't boot. Wasted my time. But at least now I know.

Sorry to be annoying, but they should really start abiding by these kernel rules:

mainline: 5.15-rc2 2021-09-20
stable: 5.14.7 2021-09-22
stable: 5.13.19 [EOL] 2021-09-18
longterm: 5.10.68 2021-09-22
longterm: 5.4.148 2021-09-22

Canonical provides newer images, too: https://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/
And there is an easy-to-use-tool for installing them: https://github.com/bkw777/mainline

[perpetually high]

Canonical provides newer images, too: https://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/
And there is an easy-to-use-tool for installing them: https://github.com/bkw777/mainline

Yeah but the average "regular" user Ubuntu is ideally trying to target truly won't know any of that. We have to give them the *best* out-of-the-box experience of everything we know of the Linux ecosystem.

They shouldn't have to worry about any of that. If you go to someone's pizza restaurant, you expect them to make the pizza and deliver it to your table and you just have to eat.

[hubick]

After decades of Fedora, I just spent three weeks on Ubuntu 20.04 to check out all this "100 Papercuts" polish I heard about, and I have so many problems. I was contemplating 21.10, but Fedora 35 is sounding optimized for my new ThinkPad, so I'll prolly just do that. Sorry Ubuntu, I tried.

[Sonadow]

After decades of Fedora, I just spent three weeks on Ubuntu 20.04 to check out all this "100 Papercuts" polish I heard about, and I have so many problems. I was contemplating 21.10, but Fedora 35 is sounding optimized for my new ThinkPad, so I'll prolly just do that. Sorry Ubuntu, I tried.

Fedora is awesome except for the 6 month release cycle. In the early days of Fedora they also had a very nice blue theme for Gnome 2 that was really beautiful and could not be reproduced on any other distribution.

I used to use a single Fedora release for three years, skipping everything else in between, then move to the next current version. Nowadays I use Debian Testing as soon as the repositories are frozen to achieve the same purpose, but would love to eventually return to Fedora one day. Apt and the Debian style of breaking up packages into tens and hundreds of sub-packages (like why the hell does CUPS have to be split into 10 different packages) drives me mad. RPM distributions also have a much more sane repository layout; Core, Updates and Extras. Compared to Debian and its derivatives which typically only have one main repository, and updated packages overwrite older versions.

[rmnscnce]

so with all the groaning about the (clearly bad) kernel choice - what's the problem with strapping xanmod on top?
myself no have problems with that route in the past - anything I should be scared of?

UEFI secure boot. Several company has it as a requirement for their device policies.