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Arch Linux's Install Media Adds "Archinstall" For Quick/Easy Installations
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Originally posted by Mez' View PostAre there big fundamental differences between Arch and Manjaro or EndeavourOS once the system has been installed?
On a day-to-day basis, regarding pacman and pacman-mirrors, pamac, yay, the AUR, etc...
Let's say I decide to switch from Manjaro and I'm already familiar with these. Would I really see a big difference in maintaining the distro once it's set up?
And before that, could you give me some benefits that would be killer enough for me to switch (and keep using the same tools as they work very well for me)? In other words, what makes Arch worth using beside its tailored installer?
YMMV
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Originally posted by szymon_g View Post
then you wonder why linux has the massive 1% of desktop market
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This is great news. I have installed Arch Linux many time. Each time is a struggle, at some level. I get the idea, that it's a learning experience, but after doing it possibly 30 or more times, the process has become unproductive. So in a pinch, the last few times I've had to reinstall---sometimes, when I've rebooted before a long update has completed in the background, or so I suspect---I've taken the easy way out: Manjaro. Manjaro is expertly configured, but I always prefer to run the real Arch LInux. Wonderful news. Wonderful.
My son wanted to try Arch, but at his college, the wifi setup was confounded by campus policies. Somehow. He installed Manjaro with ease. Hopefully this will be good news.
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I really welcome this step. Installing Arch one time manual is interesting, but not multiple times. Especially as a new user you want to get a system up and running in a short time and then learn all the details step by step. So this is a good development. Sure it is still Arch, but I think if this script is able to provide good defaults it could be even more Arch. A simple and lean installation is quite useful. I've used always my own script (as probably many other Arch Linux users) to automate my Arch installs and I like how simple and fast it is to setup a new system.
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Originally posted by ElectricPrism View Post
If people "don't have time to bullshit around" then they simply can't afford to be an Arch user, and that my friend is infact a feature.
Arch has always been about Rewarding The Determined -- this way the community was able to keep free of the self-entitled LAZY whiney little bitches that plague other distros.
Soon there will be noobagedon where noobs complain about "Why doesn't the installer look like my shiny iCrap OS" because they have been conditioned into believing that "The Popular Way" is somehow "The Right Way" -- and it's not. "Ew why do you use that DOS screen to do stuff", etc...
From what I've seen the last half decade Arch has been like lifting weights -- if you want the gains you do the work -- simple, tried & true. Keep it simple -- let the noobs install via EndevourOS or a unofficial installer IMO. Anyone who can't use CLI is unworthy.
Does that make me a lazy whiny bitch in your eyes? I sure hope not. And I'm pretty certain that 9 out of 10 people in this thread alone who've commented positively about the new Arch installer are equally capable and not lazy whiny bitches as you presume.
And anyway, the true lazy whiny bitches will simply FUBAR their system within a week or two of installing it, and instead of trying to fix it they will silently go back to Windows or Ubuntu.
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Originally posted by Nocifer View Post
The true merit of a "1337 Arch user" is their ability to maintain their system in the long term without borking it, not following instructions on a goddamn Wiki in order to install it. I for one have been keeping the same Arch system for close to 9 years now, and I know perfectly well how to maintain it and keep it in top form or reconfigure it in whatever way I may need, but I still do not have the install procedure memorized, and so I still would have to visit the Wiki on my phone if I ever wanted to install a new Arch system, and so I do very much welcome a simple Arch installer that will semi-automate that procedure for me, because indeed I do not have the time to bullshit around reading guides on a Wiki like a noob.
Does that make me a lazy whiny bitch in your eyes? I sure hope not. And I'm pretty certain that 9 out of 10 people in this thread alone who've commented positively about the new Arch installer are equally capable and not lazy whiny bitches as you presume.
And anyway, the true lazy whiny bitches will simply FUBAR their system within a week or two of installing it, and instead of trying to fix it they will silently go back to Windows or Ubuntu.
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Originally posted by cl333r View Post
So you're implying that there are still assholes who think that if they run this or that Linux distro it makes them better, I hope they're all teenagers otherwise they're just morons.
The problem with adding an installer isn't that more people will be able to say "I use Arch" and diminish the value of calling yourself an Arch Linux user. It's that they'll put more burden on the community if they aren't willing to do the work themselves to maintain their system and tarnish the name of Arch Linux as unfriendly when it was never intended for them to use it. Not everything has to be made for everyone.
It's only 4 steps:
1. Partition your drive
2. Install the base system
3. Set a root password
4. Setup the bootloader
Everything else you can do from within your installed system. Split up like that, I was able to install onto an HFS+ partition, integrate with the default bootloader on a Macbook Pro, and access all of my files from OSX.
It's fine for this installer to exist and even come by default on Arch Install images. I also think that nearly everyone adamant about it needing to exist don't use Arch Linux and probably aren't the target audience either. It's not a commercial Linux distro anyway, so more users who aren't contributing are just a burden anyway. I've long grown out of Linux evangelism. Just let people use the OS they want to use.
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Originally posted by eclecto View PostThis is great news. I have installed Arch Linux many time. Each time is a struggle, at some level. I get the idea, that it's a learning experience, but after doing it possibly 30 or more times, the process has become unproductive. So in a pinch, the last few times I've had to reinstall---sometimes, when I've rebooted before a long update has completed in the background, or so I suspect---I've taken the easy way out: Manjaro. Manjaro is expertly configured, but I always prefer to run the real Arch LInux. Wonderful news. Wonderful.
My son wanted to try Arch, but at his college, the wifi setup was confounded by campus policies. Somehow. He installed Manjaro with ease. Hopefully this will be good news.
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