Ubuntu 21.04 Beta Released For This Linux 5.11 Powered Update With Wayland By Default

[GNOME_Shill_3.x]

Wayland Mutter CSD \o/

Dude, get some new material or we'll stop sending you checks.

[WorBlux]

The f**k it matters whether a particular toolkit is ported to Wayland or not when the biggest obstacle for supporting Wayland has always been writing a window compositor/manager for it which is 20 times more difficult than writing a WM for X.org because you have to implement a lot more stuff. Putting pixels on the screen using Wayland is actually easier than for X.org.

Which is why there's a reference implementation for those who want to try.

And most developers are far more concerned about putting pixels on the screen (in a secure way if possible) than having thier own pet WM. Which is why mainstream distributions are moving to adopt it.

Xorg isn't dead, but it is preparing for semi-retirement and a lot of fishing/drinking in a boat.

Amazing how you've called JWM - JVM and IceWM - IceVM. I could have overlooked the typos but twice? Wow.

#petty #troll ?

[tildearrow]

You know I'm a simple person, I've just gone ahead, downloaded http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/21.04/beta/ and ran it in VirtualBox. No need to trust Softpedia or rumors.

Here's the result:



Wayland continues to be a graphical server/protocol solely for KDE/Gnome and a few very weird window managers.

Unrelated - how dare they use DejaVu for the title bars?!?!

[tildearrow]

Dude, get some new material or we'll stop sending you checks.

Wayland Mutter CSD GNOME True Freedom No CLA No Free Qt No Boiled Frogs openSUSE Warp = Goodbye KDE Ubuntu is Upstream Canonical FTW World Domination

[JackLilhammers]

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Given that I think it's most unlikely that critical Xorg bugs will crop up in the next year or so, refusing to fix a serious issue could be a very poor choice commercially speaking.
At least not before Wayland is perfectly functional with Nvidia.

[oiaohm]

Given that I think it's most unlikely that critical Xorg bugs will crop up in the next year or so, refusing to fix a serious issue could be a very poor choice commercially speaking.
At least not before Wayland is perfectly functional with Nvidia.

This starts off with a fatal mistake thinking that bugs have to crop up when in really with X.org X11 server on bare metal we have serious issues now. X.org X11 server on bare metal has known critical security faults that by design cannot be fixed. For Redhat/IBM and Canonical to avoid legal liability for intentionally providing a defective product they cannot really keep on supporting bare metal X11 x.org server forever so. So commercially speaking with the issues with X.org X11 server on bare metal removing it completely sooner than latter is the correct answer.

Wayland being perfectly functional with Nvidia is technically not a Redhat/IBM or Canonical problem because Nvidia does not share the source code of their binary drivers or provide the firmware the open source drivers need to be developed. Also Neither Redhat/IBM or Canonical for the last 8 years have listed Nvidia in their supported hardware configurations. Now that Nvidia is starting to take the Wayland problem serous-ally perfectly functional Wayland with Xwayland support could be here inside 12 months.

Basically the idea that X11 x.org server on bare metal will be maintained long than 12 months from now by major distributions is highly likely to be wishful thinking.

Think about it only recently did the Nvidia driver get the means that you can run two X11 servers at the same time and run opengl applications and not have major screw ups. Of course Nvidia does not allow you to give the opengl application on the non output connected X11 server higher usage of the GPU than one currently connected to the output welcome to fun if you are rapidly changing between TTYs.

The reality here as well is the Nvidia binary driver on Linux makes the bare metal X.org X11 server more security broken as well because of some of the legacy APIs the Nvdia binary driver demands that was known 8 years ago when both Redhat/IBM and Canonical removed Nvidia from the recommend hardware list.

So the Nvidia problem with Wayland is a tip of a lot bigger security nightmare problem with the way Nvidia has been making drivers for Linux.

[oiaohm]

You know I'm a simple person, I've just gone ahead, downloaded http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/21.04/beta/ and ran it in VirtualBox. No need to trust Softpedia or rumors.

That result means nothing. The forks are not what Ubuntu has promised to maintain for the LTS cycle.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lubuntu

Notice " Lubuntu Community" is listed as developer.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu

And notice "Canonical Ltd" is listed as the main Ubuntu developer. Result of these differences Canonical has no requirement to make sure Lubuntu keeps on working.

So just because something is hosted on ubuntu.com does not mean its "Canonical" or core Ubuntu maintained. When core Ubuntu/Canonical gets rid of the X11 server on bar metal Lubuntu will just have to adapt or die.

There is a wayland version of LXDE/LXQT stuff just Lubuntu has not chosen at this stage to use that as default. Over the LTS life cycle of 21.04 Lubuntu may be forced to change as the X11 bare metal x.org server goes by by.

We are in the deployment stage. Complaining about how hard to make wayland compositor vs making a WM that skips over those making WM have not really been putting any developers back into X11 bare metal and have been putting their head in the sand over X11 security issues..

[JackLilhammers]

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This starts off with a fatal mistake thinking that average users care

[Mez']

Wayland Mutter CSD GNOME True Freedom No CLA No Free Qt No Boiled Frogs openSUSE Warp = Goodbye KDE Ubuntu is Upstream Canonical FTW World Domination

Meritocracy great rainbow wonderful unicorn amazing job.

Now you can automate him (her?).

[oiaohm]

This starts off with a fatal mistake thinking that average users care

The reality its true that average users will not care. This is also that average users really will not care if LXDE/XFCE... disappears or stops using X11 on bare metal. The reality is you average user is more interesting in the applications they use than the Windows manager this is really showing with the Ubuntu studio change from xfce to KDE.

This is just you making some excuse so you don't have to understand how things work in background. The fact that the average user does not care if the X11 windows manager get killed off is another reason why Redhat/IBM and Canonical has no reason to keep on repairing X11 on bare metal instead just push to Wayland that reduces their legal lability in the products they are providing.

I bet you were thinking that the Average user was a reason not to kill of X11 bare metal because losing different windows managers would make them leave.

The reality is the average Redhat/Ubuntu desktop user that pays the company behind them for the desktop does not use Nvidia and does not care about X11 windows manager support. Only minority care in fact. Average user facts say X11 on bare metal is screwed because no major company is going to waste more resources on it because the adverage user does not care about it and you cannot even find enough care for different windows managers to justify X11 on bare metal indirectly.