Ubuntu 21.04 To Expand The Use Of Phased Package Updates

[lsatenstein]

I am experimenting with zfs and Ubuntu 2010. For the home system, a laptop system that sees unexplained shutdowns, etc, due to full battery discharged occasions, I am not yet able to be concerned about having the most recent software version. I am concerned that my laptop will restart after a battery charge or after the power supply being plugged into electrical source.

On the desktop, my use is around 40 gigs of storage per distro. I keep my archived data on external disks. For me, with what I see on technology websites and the like, zfs is the way to go, more so than btrfs. I use Ubuntu with zfs, and Fedora 33 with btrfs.

[zoomblab]

No, I think this article means gradual rollout so not all people get the updates at the same time.

The problem with Ubuntu is that it takes 6 months you to get any new releases of any software, and by then it might already be outdated when you get it, because its not updated after the Feature Freeze date in development.

It seems Windows 10 is the best operating system for those wanting to enjoy the best open source has to offer, then you can always have access to the latest version of Python, LibreOffice, Blender, GIMP, etc. On Ubuntu I am stuck with old versions.

That is the price for relinquishing control of your freedom to a distributor / middle man / walled garden. In exchange you get convenience.

Personally I have always had a love / hate relationship with the linux distribution model. Though I have concluded to a hybrid model that gives me the best of convenience and freedom. I install all non-essential software from my distro repository or appimage, but software that matters to me I install from cross platform tar.gz files or from source in the rare cases that that is not available.

For example all kinds of SDKs, IDEs, databases, etc from tars. Chrome, VLC, Gimp, KDEnlive, etc from appimage or the ubuntu repository.

Oh and btw flatpack/ostree is an abomination to me and as such strictly banned.

[skeevy420]

I did not know pop was a rolling release. I may give it a try.
Anyone here uses clear linux? I'd like to know how easy to use it is, stability, and access to different software. I know many soft come in packages of multiple software all together, but i am not sure how easy to find anything without having to compile stuff.

Pop isn't any more rolling that Mint (meaning it isn't rolling at all). It's just another distribution based on Ubuntu with the same release model and a really nice take on the GNOME Shell. IMHO, if the PopOS Shell was a bit more mouse friendly it'd be the perfect GNOME setup. If you're into tiling window managers and controlling your desktop with a keyboard you'll probably really like PopOS.

IIRC, Michael uses Clear Linux. I've gave it a try and it was the first time I was hit with a "you need to buy a CPU with AVX support" error. I've since hit that error with Cyberpunk 2077 and Death Stranding. Anecdotally, it seems like people round these parts that used to really like Clear Linux don't seem to like it as much as they used to. I'm not really sure why, but that seems to be the trend when reading comments lately.

[b8e5n]

I did not know pop was a rolling release. I may give it a try.
Anyone here uses clear linux? I'd like to know how easy to use it is, stability, and access to different software. I know many soft come in packages of multiple software all together, but i am not sure how easy to find anything without having to compile stuff.

[uid313]

You're not stuck. That's what snap and flatpak are for.

Flatpak and Snap have been a pretty shitty experience with themes not applied, slow app startup, and huge downloads and installs of runtimes, dependencies and packages.

[jacob]

No, I think this article means gradual rollout so not all people get the updates at the same time.

The problem with Ubuntu is that it takes 6 months you to get any new releases of any software, and by then it might already be outdated when you get it, because its not updated after the Feature Freeze date in development.

It seems Windows 10 is the best operating system for those wanting to enjoy the best open source has to offer, then you can always have access to the latest version of Python, LibreOffice, Blender, GIMP, etc. On Ubuntu I am stuck with old versions.

You're not stuck. That's what snap and flatpak are for.

[elatllat]

So apt has this new feature but is not "stabe" so servers are using scriptable apt-get which is missing the feature?

[skeevy420]

+1 personally I like Manjaro since it's easier to use than arch with most of the benefits, it reminds me a bit of the early days of what Ubuntu was like to Debian.

Another option if you like Ubuntu but want something a bit more up to date, take a look at Pop!_OS
"Note that feature development in Pop!_OS is not exclusive to any particular point release, as we follow a rolling-release strategy for updates to projects which we maintain. This means that features are added to Pop!_OS as soon as they are finished, instead of being withheld to the next point release." https://support.system76.com/articles/roadmap/

It's also a great OS if you're into latex sales.

[vandelay]

Lol. No. Arch or Gentoo will give you a nice rolling release with up-to-date everything. No need to jump to Windows 10. Pick a Arch derivative distro if you want it a little more packaged.

+1 personally I like Manjaro since it's easier to use than arch with most of the benefits, it reminds me a bit of the early days of what Ubuntu was like to Debian.

Another option if you like Ubuntu but want something a bit more up to date, take a look at Pop!_OS
"Note that feature development in Pop!_OS is not exclusive to any particular point release, as we follow a rolling-release strategy for updates to projects which we maintain. This means that features are added to Pop!_OS as soon as they are finished, instead of being withheld to the next point release." https://support.system76.com/articles/roadmap/

[Charlie68]

No, I think this article means gradual rollout so not all people get the updates at the same time.

The problem with Ubuntu is that it takes 6 months you to get any new releases of any software, and by then it might already be outdated when you get it, because its not updated after the Feature Freeze date in development.

It seems Windows 10 is the best operating system for those wanting to enjoy the best open source has to offer, then you can always have access to the latest version of Python, LibreOffice, Blender, GIMP, etc. On Ubuntu I am stuck with old versions.

Ever used Linux rolling release versions? I have been using Tumbleweed for 3 years, after using Ubuntu for 10 years, I have never had any problems whatsoever and if an update breaks something I can easily undo it with a rollback. So no, Windows isn't better, it's a proprietary OS that I don't want to give away my data to.