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  • piorunz
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    Originally posted by JeansenVaars View Post
    who is using pure Debian and why?
    According to old legend, Ubuntu word translates directly to "I don't know how to install Debian" 🤣
    It used to be the case, for sure. Nowadays, Debian is easy and super stable, and it has dedicated security and LTS teams to provide patches. No reason to Ubuntu anymore - Debian has matured and has got everything most users may need.

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  • waxhead
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    Originally posted by JeansenVaars View Post
    who is using pure Debian and why?
    I am , because...
    • it's free!
      • Need I say more? everything you need is there
      • It's non free (as in gratis) as well
        • Makes your hardware work until someone develops a free driver for it.
    • Debian is the biggest distribution out there
      • Most stuff is well supported on it
      • It's not going away or dropping support easily
      • Debian is a "big market" which means most programs are interested in supporting it.
      • Bugfixes are usually quick
      • Security fixes are handled quick as well.
      • It is well organized
      • It got a great QA system
      • The community is good
    • The installer gives you fine grained control
      • Allows you to make the system as simple as you want. Install option for bare essentials, gives you something basic to build on which I prefer.
      • Allows you to make the system as complex as you want. Options for various desktop environments ready to go for those who prefers that.
    • It comes in three flavors
      • Stable:
        • Old and rock solid. Great for servers and stuff where you just want things to work. Security updates are fast and simple.
      • Testing:
        • While the name puts people off , you can think of this as rolling. Rock solid (from years of experience), but requires you to keep an eye on updates. If something breaks (easy to see in if you use aptitude) you simply wait a week or two until it don't break anymore. Happens seldom so it is usually a non-issue. Pretty bleeding edge (I am on Kernel 5.9 as of writing this which is bleeding edge enough for me)
      • Unstable:
        • Not as scary as it sounds, but not for the easily spooked though.
    • It simply just work!
      • No matter what hardware I throw Debian on it usually works out of the box. In some cases I need to add the non-free repo and install a firmware package for the hardware that does not work , but that is rare these days.
      • I have tried other distributions (Ubuntu, Fedora, Mint, and a few others) but they always broke on me somehow. The last five years or so I have used exclusively only Debian and FreeBSD for various stuff.
      • It has a great package system
        • it simply does not "just break" without letting you know.
      • It is a great example of "Given enough eyeballs all bugs are shallow.
    ...And if you somehow do get in trouble ArchWiki is always there to save the day

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  • amrs
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    Originally posted by JeansenVaars View Post
    who is using pure Debian and why?
    I don't know if it's pure but I do run Debian stable on my desktop. Not all software is from Debian packages though. My two little file servers also run Debian.

    Simple reason is, it works. I installed Debian on my then only computer, a desktop PC after I complained to a coworker about some problems with RedHat 5 and he suggested Debian. This was in 1999 or thereabouts. Debian was version 2.0 or 2.1, can't remember any more. I ran that for almost a decade until it came time to switch to x86_64. That installation is still going although pretty much all parts of the PC have been replaced. Well, I still have the same keyboard.

    So for sure there are other distributions and I've used some over the years. But I've never had a compelling reason to switch from Debian to anything. I actually have Arch on the desktop as well. I use it on occasion to check out the new features in latest KDE. I had the idea I could use Arch to run some other new software too but haven't needed to yet.

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  • moilami
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    Originally posted by JeansenVaars View Post
    who is using pure Debian and why?
    Been using mainly Debian since Potato 2.2. Before that used Redhat. Have used all sort of distros, of which some are fun hobby distros, but Debian is the best if you want to get a distro requiring least work while giving the best usability.

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  • gcomi1977
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    Originally posted by JeansenVaars View Post
    who is using pure Debian and why?
    personally i prefer Debian over Ubuntu and over the other distros for the philosophy. I like using a distro owned by a no-profit, I like the Debian policies, I like about how non-free software in handled, I like to think that Debian isn't affected by some potential awful decisions that a company like Canonical, Microsoft etc.. can take. I feel more safe because I think that in a governance like Debian there arn't conflicts of interest like in private companies. I feel that Debian always try to do end users interests. Also from a practical point of view I prefer Debian, because is far more stable and performs far better then ubuntu. I don't like net plan I don't like snaps, I don't like unity, I don't like bloatware. I prefer Debian by far and I am very happy with it because it can do everything and do it better.

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  • DRanged
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    Originally posted by JeansenVaars View Post
    who is using pure Debian and why?
    Using Debian testing since 2011 on my notebook and desktop. Apart from loosing the frglx driver, desktop 2x HD7870 in Crossfire years ago changed to Nvidia GTX1070 in 2016 with proprietary driver, no issues whatsever. Besides gaming and some developing/programing Debian testing has been rock solid for me. I don't use GNOME or KDE my DE environment is MATE.

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  • pmorph
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    Originally posted by JeansenVaars View Post
    who is using pure Debian and why?
    \o
    I totally hate being "surprised" by my PC, so the boring debian stable is perfect for me.

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  • Operius73
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    Originally posted by JeansenVaars View Post
    who is using pure Debian and why?
    I'm using Debian stable on both my laptop and desktop. All the software I need is there, and it just works all the time. No surprises. After using opensuse for more than 12 years I made the switch to Buster because it was for me the first Debian release that was modern enough to work for me. It's here to stay!

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  • mppix
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    Originally posted by JeansenVaars View Post
    who is using pure Debian and why?
    I do on multiple systems. Debian is competitive in performance, has a large number of packages, and runs almost anywhere form RPI, Laptops, to Servers. Also, virtually all proprietary/free software available for Linux will offer a .deb package.

    Debian testing works well for Laptops (imo comparable with Fedora). Debian stable works well for servers (imo comparable with CentOS or RHEL minus support). Also, I don't think Debian should be compared to Ubuntu that ships with some "non-standard" things (snap preinstalled, Nvidia driver) to simplify the life of novices. To me, some of it feels like Debian+bloatware but this is clearly a personal opinion. This is not to say that Ubuntu is not doing great things for Debian and Linux in general, just that I prefer a more "barebones" version.

    Overall, I think the differences between the distros are narrowing and I don't have a strong preference among the major distros anymore. The good stuff is adopted across these distros fairly quickly and I can get all major distros to work pretty much the exact same way. Also, Flatpak is really helping with proprietary and free app distribution. Now we get up-to-date sandboxed apps on the stable dinosaurs (Debian stable, RHEL, CentOS)!!
    Last edited by mppix; 09 November 2020, 11:15 AM.

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  • Michael_S
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    Originally posted by JeansenVaars View Post
    who is using pure Debian and why?
    Why not? In the early 2000s I tried Debian a few times but I kept hitting hardware driver support and configuration issues that I wasn't seeing when I installed Slackware, Red Hat, Mandrake, or (when it launched in 2004) Ubuntu. But some time between then and now, at least on my devices the Debian installer became as consistently good at handling hardware drivers and their configuration as the other mainstream distributions.

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