There is a discussion on potentially removing them though: https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/remov...-syncs/18437/5
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Originally posted by royce View Post
Maybe in your little echo chamber. A lot of people don't know/don't care and are happy they have a way to install their Jetbrains or whatever from the app store instead of having to install these manually as it was the case. I for one lose zero sleep over it and have a fair amount of snaps installed.
I also hate how Canonical still thinks they're Apple. You're using open source software, you have boxes and boxes chock full of wheels. Stop reinventing them to feel special.
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Originally posted by Ipkh View PostSnaps and the like are stupid ways to solve a problem. Sure it removes library issues from an application, but it costs memory and space. And it definitely doesn't solve the security update front.
Why not just build the library I to the application and not rely on external libraries? It is effectively the same thing and requires less overhead.
20.10 is quite stable for me. Some minor annoyances like Boinc Manager and the Boinc client breaking. But Folding@Home works well.
All these snaps and flatpacks are only needed by distributions to lazy to build Chromium against their libs and users who misunderstand linux for windows and want one set of binaries to work on every distribution.
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Originally posted by davibu View PostIs Wayland the default for 20.10 or are they still pushing Wayland back?
I really hope they've switched.
These double efforts in implementing something in Wayland and then backporting everything to X is ridicolous, especially when it's discontinued.(like the video acceleration in Firefox)
Just one minute ago, I refreshed Gnome (alt+F2 then r) because Gnome was behaving again and slowing down my computer (33% CPU while I was on very light activities). Took 2 seconds and I didn't lose any current workflow. In wayland, you can shove that in your bu**, log out and log back in, losing everything you had open in the process.
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On the Ubuntu forums there is a rush to uninstall snaps, no one recommends them and the snap store is confusing new users, who no longer understand what to do. Among other things, the snap store on 20.04 works every other day, in spite of the Ubuntu QA that has always left something to be desired.
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Originally posted by Ipkh View PostSnaps and the like are stupid ways to solve a problem. Sure it removes library issues from an application, but it costs memory and space. And it definitely doesn't solve the security update front.
Why not just build the library I to the application and not rely on external libraries? It is effectively the same thing and requires less overhead.
20.10 is quite stable for me. Some minor annoyances like Boinc Manager and the Boinc client breaking. But Folding@Home works well.
Snaps do not remove any library issues. Like Debian packages and RPMs, snaps can choose whether to use system shared libraries, to include a different set of shared libraries or to include all libraries in the package.
I don't know what «solving the security update front» means, so I can't comment, but AppArmor and SELinux definitely do improve security.
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Originally posted by angrypie View Post
From a packager's standpoint it does matter. Snaps are shit and will remain so, while Flatpak will improve and take over it eventually.
I also hate how Canonical still thinks they're Apple. You're using open source software, you have boxes and boxes chock full of wheels. Stop reinventing them to feel special.
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