Ubuntu 20.10 Beta Released For Testing

[phoronix]

Phoronix: Ubuntu 20.10 Beta Released For Testing

The Ubuntu 20.10 "Groovy Gorilla" beta is now available for testing of Ubuntu Desktop / Cloud / Server products as well as derivatives like Kubuntu, Lubuntu, Ubuntu Budgie, Ubuntu Kylin, Ubuntu MATE, Ubuntu Studio, and Xubuntu...

http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Ubuntu-20.10-Beta-Released

[angrypie]

Don't worry. After a decade pushing Snaps with no one ever accepting it, Canonical will give up on it and adopt Flatpaks, like they've done with everything else (Unity, Upstart, Mir, ...).

[davibu]

Is Wayland the default for 20.10 or are they still pushing Wayland back?
I really hope they've switched.
These double efforts in implementing something in Wayland and then backporting everything to X is ridicolous, especially when it's discontinued.(like the video acceleration in Firefox)

[anarki2]

Don't worry. After a decade pushing Snaps with no one ever accepting it, Canonical will give up on it and adopt Flatpaks, like they've done with everything else (Unity, Upstart, Mir, ...).

Snaps aren't going anywhere, it's a cornerstone of their IoT offerings.

Disclaimer: I work for a company who's in talks with them about purchasing such services.

Snaps might go away in a sense that it won't be used for desktop apps, but the tech itself will definitely stay.

OTOH flatpaks are just as much of a disappointment to me. Their only appeal is that you can install apps as a user. Otherwise, it's the same kind of dependency hell. Like so:

Name Application ID Version Branch Installation
Slack com.slack.Slack 4.9.1 stable user
Freedesktop Platform org.freedesktop.Platform 20.08.0 20.08 user
default org.freedesktop.Platform.GL.default 20.08 user
nvidia-450-51-06 org.freedesktop.Platform.GL.nvidia-450-51-06 1.4 user
nvidia-450-80-02 org.freedesktop.Platform.GL.nvidia-450-80-02 1.4 user
ffmpeg-full org.freedesktop.Platform.ffmpeg-full 20.08 user
openh264 org.freedesktop.Platform.openh264 2.1.0 2.0 user
Yaru Gtk Theme org.gtk.Gtk3theme.Yaru 3.22 user
KDE Application Platform org.kde.Platform 5.15 user
QGnomePlatform org.kde.PlatformTheme.QGnomePlatform 5.15 user
QtSNI org.kde.PlatformTheme.QtSNI 5.15 user
QGnomePlatform-decoration org.kde.WaylandDecoration.QGnomePlatform-decoration 5.15 user
Telegram Desktop org.telegram.desktop 2.4 stable user

All that fuss for only 2 apps, Telegram and Slack. Like why do I need 2 different versions of the NV driver. On top of my native NV driver. Isn't that ridiculous? Not to mention the fact that there was a broken dependency for like a year, which "failed successfully" in the sense that I could still use my apps, but the installation always complained about it. There was a long standing bug about it of course. Also, to this day, I still can't just drag-n-drop images into the Flatpak Telegram for some stupid reason.

[cl333r]

Snaps aren't going anywhere, it's a cornerstone of their IoT offerings.

Disclaimer: I work for a company who's in talks with them about purchasing such services.

I guess he meant overall, IMO at best snaps will be the Safari of web browsers, at worst - discontinued by Canonical in the mid term, either way flatpak already won.

[gfunk]

Fedora's next update (34) will have Wayland as the default. Hoping Ubuntu do the same with the option to switch back? Some popular applications don't support Wayland yet which is holding it back. Not sure what the latest story is with Wayland+nVidia either..

[uid313]

This is a good release and since it has kernel 5.8 it also includes WireGuard which was included in kernel 5.7.
But unfortunately many GNOME shell extensions such as Dash-to-panel, Dash-to-dock and Desktop Icons have not been updated for GNOME 3.38 yet.

[Ipkh]

Snaps and the like are stupid ways to solve a problem. Sure it removes library issues from an application, but it costs memory and space. And it definitely doesn't solve the security update front.
Why not just build the library I to the application and not rely on external libraries? It is effectively the same thing and requires less overhead.

20.10 is quite stable for me. Some minor annoyances like Boinc Manager and the Boinc client breaking. But Folding@Home works well.

[royce]

Don't worry. After a decade pushing Snaps with no one ever accepting it, Canonical will give up on it and adopt Flatpaks, like they've done with everything else (Unity, Upstart, Mir, ...).

Maybe in your little echo chamber. A lot of people don't know/don't care and are happy they have a way to install their Jetbrains or whatever from the app store instead of having to install these manually as it was the case. I for one lose zero sleep over it and have a fair amount of snaps installed.

[royce]

Is Wayland the default for 20.10 or are they still pushing Wayland back?
I really hope they've switched.
These double efforts in implementing something in Wayland and then backporting everything to X is ridicolous, especially when it's discontinued.(like the video acceleration in Firefox)

Screen sharing is still an issue, although it can be made to work here and there, but lacks app support. I'm not sure about the state of gnome wayland on nvidia at the moment, that's another big blocker. Also, in browsers only Firefox has a decent wayland native implementation, although Chromium is finally starting to come along. There might be other issues I'm not aware of that stop Ubuntu from defaulting to wayland.