Mark Shuttleworth Now Plans To Restore Ubuntu's Community Council

[starshipeleven]

What else can you ask when GNOME Shell minimalistic approach allows ordinary users to easily navigate to their favourite applications?

Pfft, even Android has launchers (the GUI app) that have app drawers (the page with all the icons of the apps) that support tabs or advanced ordering.
While of course you still can launch all applications you know the name of if you write its name in the search bar, just like if you had a terminal open.

[eltomito]

What else can you ask when GNOME Shell minimalistic approach allows ordinary users to easily navigate to their favourite applications?

That sounds like another marketing quote! You work for the GNOME marketing dept., don't you?
Because in fact, using GNOME Shell is a lot like placing a bunch of hedgehogs in front of the keyboard: it looks cute but makes it more difficult to use the computer..

[finalzone]

Said no one ever except for the GNOME marketing department.

What else can you ask when GNOME Shell minimalistic approach allows ordinary users to easily navigate to their favourite applications? Once you put aside your bias view about your ideal desktop environment and use GNOME Shell in an open manner, maybe your perception will change.

[lyamc]

I'm right and you know it, you just don't want to admit it.

Send me a video of yourself using Android as a desktop Linux OS, or how about anyone else for that matter.

You can't, because no one does it.

Everything else you said was nonsense that I can't seem to follow. "Oh wait, you mean in a negative way?" What are you talking about? Do you like having conversation with yourself?

The conversation started when talking about POPULAR DESKTOP LINUX Operating Systems. If you think it's Android, you're retarded. You can count ChromeOS, since that's a desktop Linux OS that is popular, although it is super locked down. You can't count Android because no one installs Android to their PC and then uses it for anything other than playing movies on their TV.

[starshipeleven]

But it's not even close to a popular desktop Linux OS.

Yeah, it can actually run Firefox and Chrome with hardware acceleration since years ago, and applications like Netflix or other streaming or sharing services work without bullshit, there are notifications and other integrations. Oh wait, you mean in a negative way?

I never denied that you could use Android as a desktop OS, but no one does that because it would be stupid.

Yeah it only does 99% of what desktop do.

You cannot develop or run workstation applications, but then again, what is the percentage of end users that actually need that?

And ChromeOS is not Android in the same way that BlackBerry's BB10 OS is not Android. Both have a layer that allows for Android applications to run.

I said, ChromeOS is as close as Android as it can be. In its current form all non-browser functionality has been dropped in favor of using Android apps, it's just a custom GUI for Android with an integrated browser.

Whether it's an application running natively (or close to native), an emulation layer, or a virtual machine, it doesn't matter. If I install Ubuntu and run a Windows VM, that's still a point for Ubuntu.

Uhm, that's some weird logic.
If you are still running Windows in a VM, that's a point for Windows. You are paying a license for it, and you cannot use your applications without it.
How is that a win for the host system?
Who cares what the host system even is, if most (or all in the case of ChromeOS) your applications are run in the VM?

And if you count the emulation layer

There is no emulation layer, it is a straight Android OS userspace, running with the same kernel as the main system. It's more similar to a container with full access to your data and storage.

So, once again, don't be silly.

I'm right and you know it, you just don't want to admit it.

[lyamc]

Android works fine as desktop OS

But it's not even close to a popular desktop Linux OS.

I never denied that you could use Android as a desktop OS, but no one does that because it would be stupid.

And ChromeOS is not Android in the same way that BlackBerry's BB10 OS is not Android. Both have a layer that allows for Android applications to run.

Whether it's an application running natively (or close to native), an emulation layer, or a virtual machine, it doesn't matter. If I install Ubuntu and run a Windows VM, that's still a point for Ubuntu.

And if you count the emulation layer, then it's dishonest to dismiss the virtualization layer in Windows that lets me (gasp) sudo apt update from Ubuntu repos, because that's also a win for Ubuntu.

So, once again, don't be silly.

[starshipeleven]

First, no you said Android.

Android works fine as desktop OS, ChromeOS is just the most common way it is used as desktop.
You can use also Android mediaboxes/miniPCs for that. It's not like ChromeOS adds anything to Android, it's just a web browser on a kernel. All the non-web-browser functionality of modern Chromebooks comes by installing Android apps, so is it really ChromeOS anymore or is it just a slightly customized Android OS?

Second, by that logic then Windows 10 will soon be the most popular Linux OS since it has WSL which could be considered the same thing.

Wrong. There isn't a whole lot of difference between a Linux kernel used in an Android device and a Linux kernel used in a Chromebook.
The Android subsystem is a permanent part of ChromeOS using the same kernel, there is no VMs.
It also is not an optional component you can choose to install or remove. Especially since they have ditched the "Chrome Apps", so Chrome is back to being a web browser only.

On the other hand, WSL is a true VM with a Linux kernel inside, while the host is Hyper-V/Windows, and you need paravirtualization and whatnot to integrate them.

[lyamc]

Gnome has to be one of the best pieces of software with the worst defaults

[eltomito]

Visit https://getfedora.org/ and see the variety of choices from desktop environment (https://spins.fedoraproject.org/) to purpose bundled software (https://labs.fedoraproject.org/)

I didn't know about that! Thanks for telling me! Well, that makes my point invalid, at least if these Fedora spins work as well as the Ubuntu ones.

GNOME Shell user interface is easy to navigate and the learning curve is fairly short considering the minimalistic approach and the emphasis of using keyboard.

Said no one ever except for the GNOME marketing department.

[lyamc]

Chromebooks as I said. They have Android layer now while the "chrome apps" have been retired.

First, no you said Android.

Second, by that logic then Windows 10 will soon be the most popular Linux OS since it has WSL which could be considered the same thing.

Don't be silly