openSUSE Leap 15.2 Hits RC Phase With GNOME 3.34 + KDE Plasma 5.18, Sway

[Leinad]

Mesa 19.2.6 , almost a year old, probably broken import from SLE, because SLE has "only" half year old 19.3. RC phase, nobody notices.
Glibc 2.26, 3 years old, some games does not run on it. At least kernel 5.3 contains critical backports, like wireguard, so it is fairly modern.

It looks like Leap want to be conservative. But don't be fooled. A week ago a big major version update of freetype was pushed directly to "stable" Leap 15.1. So some of us have ugly fonts in some applications now.

So new Leap comes with outdated packages, while breaking changes are pushed into stable version. I was big openSUSE fan with version Leap 42.2 and 42.3 . But Leap 15 is disappointment.

[Vistaus]

I was excited to see all the changes until I clicked on the link and saw the first one



How come that isn't 5.4.something? Maybe I'm missing something, but wouldn't 5.4 or 4.14 be better choices over an EOL'd kernel?

I'd like to think that too, but then again, even Ubuntu LTS ships with the latest and greatest Firefox rather than Firefox ESR. My point being that LTS, no matter what type of software, is hardly ever preferred by distro devs.

[Vistaus]

re: DNF - there is some suggestion from suse devs that zypper is heading towards retirement in the medium term.

*grabs popcorn and waits for the angry Phoronix mob to arrive*

[andyprough]

Reading Phoronix articles and commenters on Leap is like reading someone writing about using a year-old frozen-in-time snapshot of Arch. What's the point? Tumbleweed has all the users and all the work going into it.

[tildearrow]

Meaning? What are "standard packages"?

Probably means "GNOME and all of that" to him. He is just clever.

[andyprough]

*grabs popcorn and waits for the angry Phoronix mob to arrive*

We know one thing - if opensuse were to move to dnf, then dnf would be made to finally actually work instead of moving at a snail's pace and giving inconsistent results.

[CommunityMember]

re: DNF - there is some suggestion from suse devs that zypper is heading towards retirement in the medium term.

While various people are insuring that dnf works on openSUSE (there was even a talk about dnf vs zypp at last years openSUSE conference which compared/contrasted both), I have seen no serious proposal that has been published to change the default (a few rumblings sure, but nothing serious), but instead just making sure the option is there. I suspect the only reason the openSUSE project would seriously consider such a change would be if the development resources allocated for zypp would need to be assigned elsewhere.

[mykolak]

So new Leap comes with outdated packages, while breaking changes are pushed into stable version. I was big openSUSE fan with version Leap 42.2 and 42.3 . But Leap 15 is disappointment.

I was disappointed with Leap when I've noticed that first Leap had older perl than previous 13.x. So I've moved to Tumbleweed.

[mykolak]

It’s good to know they are past the point of no return.

Splitting/forking is always easier than merging. So return would be quite easy. There is no point of that (at least right now) as all this was done to reduce costs (don't do same work twice).

[mykolak]

How come that isn't 5.4.something? Maybe I'm missing something, but wouldn't 5.4 or 4.14 be better choices over an EOL'd kernel?

Well as long as I remember for not Tumbleweed openSUSE always heavily backported patches. So I don't think there would be security problems. And as for the new features, IMHO it's better to stick to Tumbleweed to have newer stuff.