openSUSE Leap 15.2 Hits RC Phase With GNOME 3.34 + KDE Plasma 5.18, Sway

[Vistaus]

Well as long as I remember for not Tumbleweed openSUSE always heavily backported patches. So I don't think there would be security problems. And as for the new features, IMHO it's better to stick to Tumbleweed to have newer stuff.

So when it's toolkits like Qt, maintaining old versions is worse than going to Hell because of the supposed security risks, but maintaining old kernel versions with even more security risks is okay. I'm literally stunned.

[144Hz]

mykolak We probably both merged hairy code. But neither have merged big communities. That should explain why the latter is a much bigger task.

I count around 85 mail replies to the original proposal on opensuse-project. I haven’t counted all the spinoff discussions. We are way above 100+. That’s behind us anyway, there’s no way back now

[mykolak]

So when it's toolkits like Qt, maintaining old versions is worse than going to Hell because of the supposed security risks

Are you referring to something specific?

but maintaining old kernel versions with even more security risks is okay. I'm literally stunned.

Security patches are backported (at least they were before), so no security concerns. I see in Leap 15.2 kernel a lot of patches after 5.3 EOL.

What I'd be concerned about — some bugs like this one (I was hit by it):
https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/drm/intel/-/issues/161
https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/drm/intel/-/issues/673

It was present on both 5.3 and (even more severe) 5.4 and only solved in 5.5 and there were some problems with backporting it to 5.4. Maybe they were solved later, IDK. (That's why I like Tumbleweed, but I understand that some people prefer more stable releases.)

[tildearrow]

"Standard packages" → ?? → "Gnome"
How?

Could anyone explain this? I didn't get it.

Sure!

144Hz (previously Honton, funkSTAR, Griffin, GhostOfFunkS and Mentalist) is a well-known Phoronix member who has been around since 2013, thinks that GNOME is the center of the universe and that everything else is garbage and should die.

This means that in almost every KDE/GNOME thread he posts something as part of his GNOME worship, demeaning the other desktops (especially KDE).

He has been stopped several times already, but now he still keeps going under this account, and many people are tired of him, to the point we consider him more than just a troll.

His mission is to bring his whole crusade and destroy KDE by somehow spreading pro-GNOME propaganda in every way possible (early-birding threads, proving others wrong, calling GNOME the "upstream", "standard desktop", etc.), which often causes threads to be derailed and hence paves the way to Phoronix War I.

Unless Qt apologizes for their mistake and rectifies it, the war will continue for years to come.
Not even Michael or the moderators have the power to stop it, as:
- there may be backlash coming from his crusade, or
- he would create an account sooner or later anyway.




Welcome to Phoronix.

[tildearrow]

Oh and about his hype on the "SUSE Linux Enterprise - openSUSE merger":

He is just too happy about it because SUSE Linux Enterprise uses the GNOME desktop by default (and is the only supported one), and if it were to happen, this could be in turn the death of KDE on openSUSE... and that would be a horrible thing for us...

[genx]

144Hz (previously Honton, funkSTAR, Griffin, GhostOfFunkS and Mentalist) is a well-known Phoronix member who has been around since 2013, thinks that GNOME is the center of the universe and that everything else is garbage and should die.


Welcome to Phoronix.

Unfortunately, this is not limited to Phoronix: he is also on Reddit, where he acts in the exact same way, posting a never-ending stream of one-liners praising anything related to Gnome (GTK, Ubuntu since it switched to Gnome, the Purism company, Wayland) and attacking anything else (notoriously Qt, KDE and non-Gnome Ubuntu). He's been banned at least once from there too, so he changed account. It isn't a funny troll, the guy is obsessed, he spends his time following commit logs and watching new forum posts to be the first to post a meaningless comment, he's sick. As years have proven that it is not possible to get rid of him, it is best just to ignore him.

[JackLilhammers]

that's kind of sad

[mykolak]

Sure!
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Welcome to Phoronix.

Thanks for both explanation and welcome!
I thought Gnome vs KDE is old and dead pointless flamewar.

this could be in turn the death of KDE on openSUSE... and that would be a horrible thing for us...

I don't think this would ever happen. openSUSE has a quite big KDE community. And let be honest, death of KDE on openSUSE would mean a death of openSUSE for a lot of people, like me.

[skeevy420]

I thought Gnome vs KDE is old and dead pointless flamewar.

You'd be surprised . A lot of people are very adamant about how their way is the right way and that any other way is inferior and are quick to go tell it on the mountain, over the hills, and everywhere.

I don't think this would ever happen. openSUSE has a quite big KDE community. And let be honest, death of KDE on openSUSE would mean a death of openSUSE for a lot of people, like me.

Me neither. It would also be a decent hit to the KDE community since there just aren't near as many KDE-first distributions as there are GNOME-first. openSUSE is one of "the" KDE distributions to use.

[Charlie68]

I will be back to work in a couple of months, I have updated Leap to 15.2 on all my PCs in my company. Everything works perfectly, for me Leap is synonymous with great stability and I am not very interested in all the talk about the version of the kernel and the libraries.
I switched my PCs from Ubuntu to Leap 3 years ago, when I often had problems with Ubuntu. So all I care about is a reliable system. At home I use Tumblewwed and I enjoy it, but in the company I can't ...