Initial Benchmarks Of Fedora 32 Linux Performance

[Britoid]

Doesn't mean that codecs can't be easier to add (for Silverblue) either as part of the installer or as part of a noob helper program like most other distributions do.

It actually does, you have to be super careful. If RHEL started shipping with loads of unlicensed h264 codecs there almost certainly is going to be a legal case given how popular RHEL is.


Fortunately, there's both the Flathub and Cisco h264 codecs so this issue is a bit less of an issue now.

[skeevy420]

Codecs are a legal issue. Fedora can't legally ship H264 codecs and unlike Ubuntu it's not based in a tax haven without software patents.

Fedora is good if you want an up to date desktop (none of this crappy old package stuff) that uses next-generation software. Putting filesystem to the side for now (XFS really should be default though on Workstation imho), you've got the distro that constantly showcases and pushes new open-source technologies such as Wayland, OStree, Flatpak, firewalld, Pipewire, systemd (not really new I guess now) and more. The only other distro you get this with is Tumbleweed and Arch.

Doesn't mean that codecs can't be easier to add (for Silverblue) either as part of the installer or as part of a noob helper program like most other distributions do.

There's nothing stopping anyone from using anything that you listed on any other distribution outside of some distributions simply having software too old to work very well compared to Arch/Fedora/Tumbleweed. Fedora offers nothing special that we can't get anywhere else in that regard so, IMHO, it comes down to how it's implemented.

Bleeding Edge? You listed alternatives.

New Open Source Technologies? All those are all available elsewhere in various degrees. I'm not trying to diminish Fedora's work behind it all, but we can also use Cinnamon outside of Mint if you catch my drift -- just because Fedora/Red Hat is behind it doesn't mean they necessarily have the best implementation or are the best way of doing it.

BTRFS is a fine example of that because SUSE showed up and went "well that's cool and all, but we're gonna show y'all how to really use it" and they are still delivering one of the best BTRFS setups a person could want while the Hats are dropping support of the FS they started and are starting over...which is why I have a hard time in wanting to adopt Stratis -- are y'all just gonna drop it like y'all did with BTRFS? I know I can't be the only person wondering that.

So other distributions implement X just as fast as Fedora can release it, have features Fedora doesn't necessarily have, and they also make it easier for newer users to sit down and use their system with minimal frustrations. Based on that, there really is nothing special to make a random person want to use Fedora. Once Silverblue gets a few hiccups under control it will be that special thing, but it currently feels too alpha/beta to be the Prime Time edition of Fedora.

I'd argue that a workstation is better off with a better file system strategy than just XFS. At least Silverblue keeps us covered with ostree rollbacks so the file system used is more moot than with other distributions and root setups.

Like I said before, I'm not trying to talk trash them or be overly negative or critical. It's just that when I look at Fedora, I just don't see that special "IT" that makes a distribution really standout and shine since all their old school "IT" things are pretty well covered with other distributions these days.

[andyprough]

Codecs are a legal issue. Fedora can't legally ship H264 codecs and unlike Ubuntu it's not based in a tax haven without software patents.

I read that and was thinking, "that's kind of an odd comment, since Canonical is based in London, England, probably one of the most heavily taxed places on the planet".

But then I saw they have Canonical Limited and Canonical Services Limited incorporated on the Isle of Man, which has 0% corporate tax. Kind of a smart move actually, especially if there is also protection from patent lawsuits.

[ix900]

What regressed the most are wallpapers. The new ones are just awful. However, it's nice to see performance improvements. Except mentioned Firefox and boot time.

99.9% of the time on everything, wallpapers are horrible. Its rare to see anything with one worth using.

[Britoid]

I liked em....at least the ones that came with Silverblue. If you want horrible wallpapers and themes...run Manjaro...ugh...

Gave Silverblue a shot during the end of 31 and the start of the 32 cycle followed by giving the actual 32 beta a shot and I don't really have much to say one way or the other about Fedora.

By that I mean that at the end of the day Fedora didn't really offer anything special over other distributions to make me want to really sit down and become a Fedora user. Silverblue almost did. I'll have to check SB out in another year, maybe earlier, and see if my little peeves and annoyances are fixed....Flat printing and the BTRFS installer bug mainly....

Nothing bad or wrong with Fedora. Nothing that stands out or shines either. If a person just wants to sit down and use a system it makes a fine OS. When a person starts looking at more advanced features, Fedora becomes less appealing.

Dear Fedora Devs,

Y'all should consider giving us an installer with Stratis Root support. Giving Fedora a Stratis Root option would give y'all a killer feature no one else is doing so y'all can compete with Ubuntu+ZFS and SUSE+BTRFS in the advanced file system market. Based on posts I've seen in the past year, a lot of us seem to have confidence issues with Stratis since it doesn't seem to be being pushed anywhere outside of extra storage pools for RHEL. Throwing the community a bone like that would increase access and testing for Stratis, give Fedora a unique feature that no other distribution is doing, and we'd have more confidence with using Stratis for our projects since it would be more readily available.

As an end-user, about your only standout, killer feature that I see from Fedora is Silverblue and, well, Netflix and Hulu and RPM-Fusion and Firefox can be a real pain in the ass to get all running swimmingly. Just saying that SB needs Mom-Easy Netflix if y'all want the masses to adopt it....and printers working from Flatpaks....but, in the meantime, an actual OS with Stratis root would be nice to have.

Thanks for taking the time to read this and know that I'm not trying to complain; just trying to give honest feedback.

Codecs are a legal issue. Fedora can't legally ship H264 codecs and unlike Ubuntu it's not based in a tax haven without software patents.

Fedora is good if you want an up to date desktop (none of this crappy old package stuff) that uses next-generation software. Putting filesystem to the side for now (XFS really should be default though on Workstation imho), you've got the distro that constantly showcases and pushes new open-source technologies such as Wayland, OStree, Flatpak, firewalld, Pipewire, systemd (not really new I guess now) and more. The only other distro you get this with is Tumbleweed and Arch.

But another thing is Fedora's "upstream first" policy. To improve Fedora, the idea is to improve upstream, which does benefit all distros. Things like Plymouth are Fedora features.

[skeevy420]

Second picture doesn't look bad, although the icon placement is poor. I thought Gnome didn't allow desktop icons? The first wallpaper is downright unhealthy to look at for any period of time. Slower boot times are normally an unpardonable offense, but 14 seconds is still acceptable.

There weren't any desktop icons. First pic was the Dock. Second pic is part of the Activities Overview.

[skeevy420]

What regressed the most are wallpapers. The new ones are just awful. However, it's nice to see performance improvements. Except mentioned Firefox and boot time.

I liked em....at least the ones that came with Silverblue. If you want horrible wallpapers and themes...run Manjaro...ugh...

Gave Silverblue a shot during the end of 31 and the start of the 32 cycle followed by giving the actual 32 beta a shot and I don't really have much to say one way or the other about Fedora.

By that I mean that at the end of the day Fedora didn't really offer anything special over other distributions to make me want to really sit down and become a Fedora user. Silverblue almost did. I'll have to check SB out in another year, maybe earlier, and see if my little peeves and annoyances are fixed....Flat printing and the BTRFS installer bug mainly....

Nothing bad or wrong with Fedora. Nothing that stands out or shines either. If a person just wants to sit down and use a system it makes a fine OS. When a person starts looking at more advanced features, Fedora becomes less appealing.

Dear Fedora Devs,

Y'all should consider giving us an installer with Stratis Root support. Giving Fedora a Stratis Root option would give y'all a killer feature no one else is doing so y'all can compete with Ubuntu+ZFS and SUSE+BTRFS in the advanced file system market. Based on posts I've seen in the past year, a lot of us seem to have confidence issues with Stratis since it doesn't seem to be being pushed anywhere outside of extra storage pools for RHEL. Throwing the community a bone like that would increase access and testing for Stratis, give Fedora a unique feature that no other distribution is doing, and we'd have more confidence with using Stratis for our projects since it would be more readily available.

As an end-user, about your only standout, killer feature that I see from Fedora is Silverblue and, well, Netflix and Hulu and RPM-Fusion and Firefox can be a real pain in the ass to get all running swimmingly. Just saying that SB needs Mom-Easy Netflix if y'all want the masses to adopt it....and printers working from Flatpaks....but, in the meantime, an actual OS with Stratis root would be nice to have.

Thanks for taking the time to read this and know that I'm not trying to complain; just trying to give honest feedback.

[andyprough]

Second picture doesn't look bad, although the icon placement is poor. I thought Gnome didn't allow desktop icons? The first wallpaper is downright unhealthy to look at for any period of time. Slower boot times are normally an unpardonable offense, but 14 seconds is still acceptable.

[q2dg]

What I liked most what "Terraform-green.png" (or yellow) wallpaper. I don't know why it isn't currenly available in official packages :-(

[blacknova]

I don't particular care about wallpapers, the only time I see them is just after reboot. Other than that it would be interesting to see what have been broken in this release from the start and missed QA.