I expect this with something like Arch Linux but for an enterprise distribution? In my experience large companies make use of very aging hardware compared to hobbiests.
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Should my 8 year old computer be put in museum?
/proc/cpuinfo:
Code:model name : AMD A6-3670 APU with Radeon(tm) HD Graphics … flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush mmx fxsr sse sse2 ht syscall nx mmxext fxsr_opt pdpe1gb rdtscp lm 3dnowext 3dnow constant_tsc rep_good nopl nonstop_tsc cpuid extd_apicid aperfmperf pni monitor cx16 popcnt lahf_lm cmp_legacy svm extapic cr8_legacy abm sse4a misalignsse 3dnowprefetch osvw ibs skinit wdt hw_pstate vmmcall arat npt lbrv svm_lock nrip_save pausefilter … bugs : fxsave_leak sysret_ss_attrs null_seg spectre_v1 spectre_v2
It doesn't have AMD's two latest vulnerabilities either (this is K10 µarch).Last edited by andreano; 27 March 2020, 06:04 PM.
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Originally posted by TemplarGR View PostI think the first AVX version would be a better compromise
Originally posted by TemplarGR View PostTechnically Excavator was first in 2015 but IIRC Excavator was not a desktop/server chip but was only found in apus, or wasn't it?
Originally posted by angrypie View PostPeople still on FM2+ might be interested in the A8, though.
Originally posted by hajj_3 View PostRequiring AVX2 is therefore a terrible idea. Requiring SSE4 or SSE4.1 would be a better idea.
That being said, I know a number of sysadmins whom you can pry their 7-row keyboard Thinkpads from their dead hands. They would rather switch to another distro than to another laptop.
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Originally posted by chithanh View PostProblem is that many if not most FM2+ mobos never received a BIOS update for Carrizo. AMD waited so long with releasing that chip that those mobos were considered EOL when it came out.
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Originally posted by TemplarGR View PostI think AVX2 is too high of a threshold for now. AMD only made AVX2 cpus after 2017*, and Intel after 2013. Even for a distro released in 2023, i think that's a little too high. I think the first AVX version would be a better compromise, since it goes back a couple of years for both companies (2011 for both Intel and AMD), but is still far more advanced than SS2, (S)SS3 and SSE4.(1,2) cpus.
I would personally make it AVX1 and upwords for version 9 and push it to AVX2 minimum for the next version.
*Technically Excavator was first in 2015 but IIRC Excavator was not a desktop/server chip but was only found in apus, or wasn't it?
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Originally posted by andreano View PostShould my 8 year old computer be put in museum?
/proc/cpuinfo:
Code:model name : AMD A6-3670 APU with Radeon(tm) HD Graphics … flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush mmx fxsr sse sse2 ht syscall nx mmxext fxsr_opt pdpe1gb rdtscp lm 3dnowext 3dnow constant_tsc rep_good nopl nonstop_tsc cpuid extd_apicid aperfmperf pni monitor cx16 popcnt lahf_lm cmp_legacy svm extapic cr8_legacy abm sse4a misalignsse 3dnowprefetch osvw ibs skinit wdt hw_pstate vmmcall arat npt lbrv svm_lock nrip_save pausefilter … bugs : fxsave_leak sysret_ss_attrs null_seg spectre_v1 spectre_v2
It doesn't have AMD's two latest vulnerabilities either (this is K10 µarch).
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Originally posted by hajj_3 View PostNeither AVX nor AVX2 are available on intel celeron or pentium processors.
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Originally posted by CommunityMember View PostI don't think it has yet been decided on the specific feature requirements, but remember that RHEL is targeted towards supporting enterprise customers and solutions, which typically means DCs, and that means recent server class hardware (anyone who has actually done the TCO math for a DC can show that after a few generations of hardware it is cheaper to replace the hardware than keep it running), and not consumer devices. Sure, it is nice to be able to support someone's low end laptop, but RH makes their money from paying enterprises, which deploy serious iron, for the most part. How many people here can say they are actually paying full RH support prices for their laptops or seven year old servers? Those people can certainly make the case to RH that their loss of revenue may be important, but it is unlikely to be significant enough to change anyone's mind as to where to invest their resources (QA is extremely expensive for these enterprise vendors).
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