Red Hat Pushing DNF 5 Into Development For Improving The Package Manager

[RahulSundaram]

Yes, I remember using it when I was a Fedora user. .. Filesystem snapshots are much more reliable and cover the common case of rolling back a bad update

Rolling back a bad update is far from the only one case for history and majority of use cases are not supported by filesystem snapshots which are not granular enough. For ex: Querying last update values or systematically reporting whether a package transaction was added via a dependency or user initiated

[StefanBruens]

Python has bindings for GTK and Qt for basic stuff where you just want to throw up some basic windows with buttons https://python-gtk-3-tutorial.readth...simple-example
and this is provided by a package called python-gtk or python-qt5 (or similar) in most distros.

Ultimaker Cura is written in python, and uses python-qt5: https://ultimaker.com/software/ultimaker-cura

[modpunk]

And zypper gets no love. While I admit I'm partial to the apt-like syntax, it's speed and functionality have never left me disappointed.

zypper works just fine in Fedora. I'm using it daily on f31.

[starshipeleven]

So, asking as someone who has no experience in GUI for these tools ? What do they use GTK, QT with python bindings ?

Python has bindings for GTK and Qt for basic stuff where you just want to throw up some basic windows with buttons https://python-gtk-3-tutorial.readth...simple-example
and this is provided by a package called python-gtk or python-qt5 (or similar) in most distros.
Or you can use its built-in GUI library tkinter https://www.geeksforgeeks.org/python-gui-tkinter/
There are also a bunch of library/bindings to control and interact with GNOME/KDE or system daemons.

For example, Virt-Manager https://virt-manager.org/ is an example of somewhat complex but purely utilitarian Python GUI application. Its performance isn't relevant as it's just a frontend for KVM/QEMU or other system daemons (dbus and SPICE among others).

Another such application (a VPN manager) is Qomui https://github.com/corrad1nho/qomui

For more complex and good-looking stuff there are like 10+ whole GUI frameworks, similar to what happens in Java. There is no shortage of frameworks in Python, it's a pretty big ecosystem now.

[vb_linux]

As I said a few posts later https://www.phoronix.com/forums/foru...60#post1163660 I was talking in the context of system tools and applications, not payload applications where high performance matters.

I mean yes, Java is still very much faster and better than scripting languages for any serious application that needs performance.

So, asking as someone who has no experience in GUI for these tools ? What do they use GTK, QT with python bindings ?

[skeevy420]

You're way out ahead of me, I was talking about one specific tool for accessing pacman history. My pea-sized brain can't keep up with the ponderings of your megabrain, sorry.

Obviously. If one single statement about a ZFS Pacman helpers became "me having a conversation with myself about ZFS backups" then I'm not too surprised you weren't able to keep up.

[andyprough]

You went with the generic example of "Pacman helper tools" so I used the non-generic example of "ZFS Pacman helpers in the AUR". You're acting like all Pacman helpers are only in the Core repository when they're all over the place.

Feel free to replace "ZFS Pacman helpers in the AUR" with the more generic "any Pacman helper in the AUR" comment.

If you were more specific with "Pacman helper tools in Arch/distribution repositories" then there wouldn't be such a gaping flaw in your argument.

You're way out ahead of me, I was talking about one specific tool for accessing pacman history. My pea-sized brain can't keep up with the ponderings of your megabrain, sorry.

[RahulSundaram]

This is all available under pacman or with its tools. Just because tools have been rolled directly into dnf doesn't change the actual behavior. End user doesn't give a crap if the package manager or its tools are doing the work.

What tools? Feel free to point me to said tools. Afaik pacman doesn't even store any of the requisite metadata, so I don't how any similar functionality is feasible

[skeevy420]

You appear to be having a conversation with yourself about ZFS backup, which I have said nothing about and have zero interest in. But please, don't mind me, proceed...

You went with the generic example of "Pacman helper tools" so I used the non-generic example of "ZFS Pacman helpers in the AUR". You're acting like all Pacman helpers are only in the Core repository when they're all over the place.

Feel free to replace "ZFS Pacman helpers in the AUR" with the more generic "any Pacman helper in the AUR" comment.

If you were more specific with "Pacman helper tools in Arch/distribution repositories" then there wouldn't be such a gaping flaw in your argument.

[andyprough]

Are you retarded? Here's our entire conversation.

You appear to be having a conversation with yourself about ZFS backup, which I have said nothing about and have zero interest in. But please, don't mind me, proceed...