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  • skeevy420
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    Originally posted by 144Hz View Post
    skeevy420 I quoted one of the few responders to the change proposal. That change is soon resolved and then official. If you want to take the deep dive then go to fedora’s KDE mailing list.

    Sorry for the late reply. Got Corona :/
    Hmm. So if Steve Wozniak thinks he's patient zero and you have Corona....tell your boss to tell his boss to bring back the goddamn function keys

    I hope you get to feeling better.

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  • eidolon
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    Originally posted by ALRBP View Post
    [On their website] "The leading Open Source Desktop Alternative"
    "Leading". Are they serious?
    I didn't even know they still existed.
    Are there real good reasons for a user coming from Windows to use Linspire, and pay 30$, instead of Mint/Ubuntu/Fedora?
    This guy tries to leverage brands from the dustbin of history (which he then uses to rebrand essentially the same Ubuntu remix he's been offering for years). Most of these brands have negligible name recognition, so it's kind of a wasted effort on his part anyway.

    Prior to necroing the Linspire and Freespire brands, he purchased the Black Lab Linux brand from Fixstars, and released an Ubuntu remix under that name. However, he also used a logo[1] very similar to (i.e. cropped to the upper torso and flipped horizontally with a color scheme change) the Yellow Dog Linux logo,[2] which Fixstars still owns the rights to.[3] He also used an alternative logo[4] unimaginatively similar to a couple of iterations of Lycos' logo (while not being an exact copy, it is essentially based on the head from one iteration[5] of the Lycos logo and the body of another iteration[6] of the Lycos logo). He had vacillated back and forth between different business models for Black Lab Linux, which, IMO, made for a mercurial product.

    He also states[7] that he acquired the Dreamlinux trademark. He briefly had a spat with Ladislav Bodnar because Ladislav got tired of altering the DistroWatch page for his distribution due to the constant name and logo changes, which temporarily resulted in the distribution being delisted from DistroWatch (comment #55).

    He briefly tried to brand a product "Amiga OpenLinux", including using the Amiga Boing Ball logo,[8] then using a version of the Boing Ball flipped horizontally and colored blue,[9] but he never acquired rights for Amiga branding. He made pie in the sky promises to the Amiga enthusiast community,[10] which of course didn't pan out. Later he announced an "Ami/LX" product but it quickly died. He also announced another distribution, named PC-UX,[11] but he hadn't acquired the trademark from NEC. I don't think it (the distribution) survived beyond an alpha release before being scrapped.

    Prior to the aforementioned profusion, he had an Ubuntu remix named PC/OS. The name was later change to OS4 (then to OS/4 and then to OS/4 OpenLinux),[12] and he even toyed around with a logo design[13] based on the OS/2 logo.[14] I seem to remember another logo draft which was very derivative of the NeXT logo, but I can't find it now.

    He said he was going to pick up development of Remastersys after it was discontinued by Fragadelic,[15] but his primary contribution was a name change[16] before discontinuing the fork.[17] He has claimed in the past to have made contributions to independent open source projects, but I haven't seen any proof of that.

    Maybe this guy means well, but he comes across as a snake oil salesman. He is repurposing brands, but they aren't real continuations of their predecessors. Of all the names he's used, I wish he would have stuck with his PC/OS Linux brand. I wish he would forge his own path rather than try to trade on memories of the past.

    And I really wish websites wouldn't give this remix distribution attention.
    Last edited by eidolon; 05 March 2020, 01:56 PM.

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  • andrewjoy
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    Who would want this, your just switching one propitiatory system for another!

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  • skeevy420
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    Originally posted by finalzone View Post
    skeevy420

    Gnome 3 idea is actually inspired by the old Xerox GlobalView interface from the 1980.

    http://toastytech.com/guis/gv.html

    It has desktop icons. Gnome, why don't you have a feature older than me?

    But that doesn't change that, to me anyways, Gnome gives off an iOS feel with how their top bar looks, how the way applications are launched reminds me of the Android app drawer, and that the hot corner switching screen reminds me of the Recent Apps button from an Android phone (Plasma and Gnome with that one).

    It's GTK3 that takes inspiration from that UI.



    The only resemblance the core shells have with one another is they both use a top bar. From there, there are clearly design differences between GlobalView and Gnome and it's GTK3 that continues on with the GlobalView bar...figuratively and literally


    A Note To All:
    Those pictures are on a non-https site. Disable your forced https plugins before replying that you can't see the pictures. I've been down this road before here.

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  • Slartifartblast
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    Originally posted by andyprough View Post

    "Hello Cortana"
    "Yes, I'll be your GNU/Linux assistant today."
    If you want to copy typical windows use then it would be "F++k off Cortana, why don't you die just like clippy"

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  • Nth_man
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    > Just as everyone tries to mimic Windows, MSFT goes and changes it again.

    > https://www.pcworld.com/article/3530...ive-tiles.html

    The article says "a possible future", "what might be called a work in progress", etc.

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  • polarathene
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    Originally posted by edwaleni View Post
    Just as everyone tries to mimic Windows, MSFT goes and changes it again.

    https://www.pcworld.com/article/3530...ive-tiles.html

    Oh cool, so now the widget that was meant to give this sort of functionality is more accurate at mimicking the menu since it only did icon-only tiles iirc:

    https://www.pling.com/p/1160672

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  • polarathene
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    Originally posted by Danny3 View Post
    KDE has Dolphin, the best Linux file manager, it can connect to almost everything and it's very customizable
    MATE is was fast until the GTK3 port, at least this is how I felt it.
    KDE has also Android phone integration with KDE Connect.
    I agree with the user who said that distros not using KDE by default is what is holding Linux adoption back.
    I can't recall what it's like without Dolphin much(I'm a KDE user since 2016), but I do know that KIO has been a pain point preventing apps from being able to properly utilize remote shares if they don't natively have KIO support. That's being addressed this year(or has been since the 2020 roadmap announcement, I haven't been keeping up to date on that), but has been an issue for quite some time now.. Gnome and friends don't have that issue and generally have had a better samba experience too iirc.

    GTK3 has been known to get bad perf and be a bit of a resource hog, basically the reputation KDE had in the past. That does appear to be changing over the years(with some unfortunate decisions that gut out nice things), no idea what the state of it is now, but from all the phoronix news that I see about it, I'd say it's well on it's way to probably resolving the performance issue. Ubuntu defaulting to it probably helps a fair bit there too, so from a viewpoint of bias, if GTK3/Gnome becomes worthwhile, it's because of the sheer amount of resources it receives compared to the competition. Can't say I'm a fan of GTK2, that's got to be one of the annoying things to deal with as a KDE user, getting GTK2/3 file browser dialogs from apps, GTK2 is really awful there.

    Gnome offers KDE Connect equivalent, I think it's called GSConnect or something. I mostly use KDE Connect for the copy/paste functionality(which is frustratingly hit/miss sometimes, no clue why it fails when ping works). Controlling media is pretty neat, as is the file exchange(although my PC receives zip files with random numbers as filenames instead of preserving the filename..), remote input is nice too as long as you don't need to do any ctrl/alt/meta shortcuts and the like, has definitely saved me when the kernel threw a tantrum and refused USB keyboard/mouse input. No clue what the Gnome alternative is like in comparison.

    While I'd love to see KDE get more love and support, as long as one DE is seeing strong development, that's ok for now. Better that resources are pooled/focused, especially in open-source/volunteer contributions where progress can be slow compared to Windows/macOS. Which is also slightly sad about Wayland, since efforts there are further fragmented it seems for each DE, rather than sharing more(afaik anyway?). I'd really like to see that progress more, especially with how X11 isn't seeing much release wise despite the piling changes, but it seems XWayland is still going to be around for a while, and well.. I'm still on nvidia hardware so I don't expect Wayland to be all that viable for years, unless I can afford to get AMD(but I rely on software that only supports CUDA for compute, no competitive alternatives).

    As far as Linspire goes, their taskbar/panel looked poorly designed, icons lacked consistent and padding/margin, felt very claustrophobic almost design wise. Then they open the start menu and it again shows off unpleasant icons, pretty sure Windows is not that bad these days. I agree that Plasma is plenty capable of providing the look/functionality that is familiar to Windows users, they didn't quite explain where it lacked there compared to MATE afaik?

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  • finalzone
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    skeevy420

    Gnome 3 idea is actually inspired by the old Xerox GlobalView interface from the 1980.

    http://toastytech.com/guis/gv.html

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  • edwaleni
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    Just as everyone tries to mimic Windows, MSFT goes and changes it again.

    https://www.pcworld.com/article/3530...ive-tiles.html

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