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Originally posted by Vistaus View Post
But the point was that someone said that Flatpak and Snap are EQUALLY open source. That's what he was trying to address. Whether or not you see partly closed-source as an issue is a different subject altogether.
Yes, Canonical's snap server is proprietary, as Red Hats rpm server is proprietary, as most websites are. Whether or not the snap system is usable without Canonical's proprietary store, depends on whether or not it can be used with other stores. I can. Because it's completely open source. One of the arguments against this, was that you'd have to recompile it, but the fact that you are legally able to do so, is what makes it open source. There is no requirement that open source software are multi-server or federalized.
Some people doesn't seem to understand that fast talking doesn't work in written form. The worst thing is that I agree with the point; I also think that users should be able to easily choose which stores to use. But that has nothing to do with the difference between open source and proprietary software and the claim that snap is useless without a proprietary server, is just false.
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Originally posted by jo-erlend View PostYes, Canonical's snap server is proprietary, as Red Hats rpm server is proprietary,
If you're referring to Koji? Open source.
Or Pague? Open source.
Or Copr? Open source.
or Bodhi? Open source.
Actually, I think 100% of Fedora's infastructure is open source.
You've come out here insulting people, yet the one who's stupid seems to be yourself.Last edited by Britoid; 29 November 2019, 02:39 PM.
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Originally posted by jo-erlend View Post
You're not that stupid. Stop pretending.
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Originally posted by starshipeleven View Post
Then I don't understand why they care about code quality in the application-specific "prefix" as it's.. specific. It's not the first time someone reworked a hack that was working perfectly fine and all hell breaks loose.
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Originally posted by jo-erlend View PostYou mean in the same way nearly all websites are proprietary. Nothing wrong with that in my opinion. Linux isn't Cuba.
The website is irrelevant. The issue is the server component for hosting repositories. Afaik Snap does not have any server application for third parties to host their own packages.
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Originally posted by Britoid View PostExcept if you want to make something for Firefox you don't have to ask for Mozilla's permission and you have plenty of open source web servers
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Originally posted by Britoid View Post
It's literally an Apache web server with a directory listing. That's all you need for an RPM server.
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Originally posted by starshipeleven View PostWTF is Cuba doing in a Linux discussion.
The website is irrelevant. The issue is the server component for hosting repositories. Afaik Snap does not have any server application for third parties to host their own packages.
If you wanted to, you could just use an FTP server and a small bash script running wget and then snap install the files you download.
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Originally posted by jo-erlend View Post
The snap server is a web server that provides a RESTful API, all of which is obviously open source, since the client is open source. So what's really missing, is the website/webapp itself, but that would most likely be different between distros anyway, since they probably wouldn't use the same databases, LDAP servers, etc. If you didn't care about advanced features such as payment and CDNs, etc, then you could make your webapp much simpler than Canonical's.
If you wanted to, you could just use an FTP server and a small bash script running wget and then snap install the files you download.
Stop defending closed-source software. Until there's a workable open-source snap-server alternative, the system is closed-source. It's unethical that Canonical hasn't made one. The fact is Snap is useless without the snap server and the snap server is closed-source. This is in contrast to Flatpak where the Flatpak binary itself can build servers.
But you have a history of defending unethical practices, so why do I bother.Last edited by Britoid; 29 November 2019, 03:44 PM.
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