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  • duby229
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    Originally posted by betam4x View Post

    The types of users that would care about the source code are also the types of users that understand licensing. You have a very odd mentality of the average Linux user and a very odd mentality of trusting a vendor that prepackages even open source binaries for you to download. Code is not audited by anyone, that is on the end user to do, and binaries are built on trust.

    I have no issue with proprietary packages being listed on Linux. Hell, a really awesome store with a bunch of popular commercial software listed is exactly what Linux *needs* in order to grow. The whole *must be open source* argument is a losing one, and siding with that means that you'll never see the majority of great software out there. Developers are paid after all. Licenses must also be paid for. DRM is a necessary evil to allow things like Spotify to exist. You'll never see an open source version of Spotify, nor will you see an open source version of the Adobe suite (which far outclasses any open source variant).

    I'm not knocking on things being open source, but to damn closed source software is foolish. Closed source software will always exist. Attempting to hide it only hurts Linux adoption, which is something the world sorely needs.
    no, what the world sorely needs is open source alternatives. There are just too many extent examples that prove it already. Firefox and Chrome, Ubuntu and Fedora, Many, many server apps (mariadb apache send mail, etc) Gnome and KDE, etc...
    Last edited by duby229; 11-30-2019, 03:14 PM.

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  • betam4x
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    Originally posted by R41N3R View Post
    Proprietary software should not be promoted at all, there should be a clear warning that the code cannot be audited. Not every user is educated enough to always check and understand the licence before installing such software. The risk of installing software that is tracking users of does other malicious things is quite high. Just look at how users are enforced now to install proprietary banking apps that contain trackers on Android. This is unacceptable and shouldn't be promoted by an app store! F-droid does state clear warning, this should be used as a good example.
    The types of users that would care about the source code are also the types of users that understand licensing. You have a very odd mentality of the average Linux user and a very odd mentality of trusting a vendor that prepackages even open source binaries for you to download. Code is not audited by anyone, that is on the end user to do, and binaries are built on trust.

    I have no issue with proprietary packages being listed on Linux. Hell, a really awesome store with a bunch of popular commercial software listed is exactly what Linux *needs* in order to grow. The whole *must be open source* argument is a losing one, and siding with that means that you'll never see the majority of great software out there. Developers are paid after all. Licenses must also be paid for. DRM is a necessary evil to allow things like Spotify to exist. You'll never see an open source version of Spotify, nor will you see an open source version of the Adobe suite (which far outclasses any open source variant).

    I'm not knocking on things being open source, but to damn closed source software is foolish. Closed source software will always exist. Attempting to hide it only hurts Linux adoption, which is something the world sorely needs.

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  • mulenmar
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    Originally posted by Spooktra View Post
    This right here is why Linux barely registers as a blip on the desktop; the idiotic ideology is idiotic.

    Like most liberal, commie, hippie douches, these people are incapable of having a rational thought. People are supposed to go to school, spend their time and money studying and getting a degree, so that they can then turn around and give away the product they produce for free.

    It's the same stupid shit with those that want free education, free medical care, free willy; teachers and doctors are supposed to work for free, despite spending years studying, because reasons.

    But I guarantee you that if someone told these people that want free software, free education, free medical care that they would not be getting a paycheck this week they would have a fit.
    How are those boots tasting today? And the strawman, ooh, very nice, very dry and flammable!

    How about you go back to making someone else a cluckton of money and running around working 15 hours a day on three different gigs, we're tired of hearing this nonsense.

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  • Spooktra
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    Originally posted by duby229 View Post
    U sir are a moron. First of all education is something that all people deserve, rich or poor, white or black, clean or dirty, all people -deserve- education. And in -exactly- the same vane, all people -deserve- healthcare, no matter what opposing conditions you choose to arbitrarily apply. It just so happens to be in exactly that vane that -all- people deserve free software. Governments exist for the people, not against them.
    What else do all people "deserve"? A free car? A free house? How about some free pussy?

    Let me ask you a simple question, are the teachers supposed to work for free? Are the schools going to be built for free? Is the electric company supposed to give the school gas and electricity for free?

    How about hospitals? Are the doctors supposed to work for free? How about the nurses, aides, and other staff? Is the construction company supposed to build and maintain the hospital for free? Is a person supposed to go to college for 4 years to earn B.S. degree, then 4 more years of med school, then 2 years of a residency, 1-2 years of a specialty and after 10+ years of school they are supposed to work for free?

    How exactly does free education and free medical care work?

    Do you work for free? Or do you expect a paycheck? When your annual review comes around, are you hoping for a pay raise or a pay cut?

    People like you are intellectually dishonest or challenged, or often times both.

    If you feel like spending time and money for 4-5 yeas to earn a B.S. in Computer Science and then give the software you produce away for free, I support your right to do that.

    But remember, you get what you pay for and all you have to do is look at the sad state of Fedora and many other distros to know they are worth every penny you pay for them.

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  • duby229
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    No free education? No free healthcare? No free transportation? No free software?

    Equals stupid, sick, stuck and ignorant....

    These are all reasons governments -exist- for...

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  • duby229
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    Originally posted by Spooktra View Post
    This right here is why Linux barely registers as a blip on the desktop; the idiotic ideology is idiotic.

    Like most liberal, commie, hippie douches, these people are incapable of having a rational thought. People are supposed to go to school, spend their time and money studying and getting a degree, so that they can then turn around and give away the product they produce for free.

    It's the same stupid shit with those that want free education, free medical care, free willy; teachers and doctors are supposed to work for free, despite spending years studying, because reasons.

    But I guarantee you that if someone told these people that want free software, free education, free medical care that they would not be getting a paycheck this week they would have a fit.
    U sir are a moron. First of all education is something that all people deserve, rich or poor, white or black, clean or dirty, all people -deserve- education. And in -exactly- the same vane, all people -deserve- healthcare, no matter what opposing conditions you choose to arbitrarily apply. It just so happens to be in exactly that vane that -all- people deserve free software. Governments exist for the people, not against them.

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  • atreus
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    I think it should have a specific section for proprietary softwares. If you want that users come to Linux, this is a must-have.

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  • skeevy420
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    Originally posted by kpedersen View Post
    On the ethical level, I think it is important for free software to provide convenient free graphical user interface software, which is why the GNU Project launched three projects to develop that. The third, GNOME, was successful, so we never needed a fourth one.
    I am pretty sure that if Gnome starts suggesting any non-free software in its tools; RMS might finally try to start up a much needed 4th desktop environment
    From the King of Swamp Castle:

    When I first came here, this was all swamp. Everyone said I was daft to build a castle on a swamp, but I built in all the same, just to show them. It sank into the swamp. So I built a second one. That sank into the swamp. So I built a third. That burned down, fell over, then sank into the swamp. But the fourth one stayed up. And that's what you're going to get, Lad, the strongest castle in all of England.
    I propose SCDE since their third one is about to burn down, fall over, and sink into the swamp.

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  • onicsis
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    Users know better what best for their needs. Thinking Linux users are tech savvy enough to make the difference between open source software and closed source counterparts if they can choose. Be often can be some cases when user can't choose and only option is proprietary.

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  • Vistaus
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    Originally posted by ElectricPrism View Post
    Everyone has an opinion but fails to remember or care that Fedora by default installs no proprietary software and has no access to such software without adding extra repositories.
    And you fail to remember that Flathub isn't enabled by default on Fedora, so your whole post is moot.

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