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Originally posted by Delgarde View Post
That's the problem with the idea, yeah... it only works with the lowest common denominator. If the only thing your systemd unit does is start and stop processes, it'll probably work. But if it's doing anything even remotely complicated, you're going to end up with lots of special cases... e.g. anything doing socket activation won't work that as an init script, etc.
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Originally posted by cb88 View PostIt isn't an uncommon setup... it is THE SETUP for the past 20 years. That is trivial to maintain but it got ripped out because reasons.
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Originally posted by cb88 View PostPulseaudio is exactly like jackd... it all it does is provide a wrapper over ALSA, so every person using pulseaudio on Linux is still using ALSA.
Originally posted by cb88 View PostPulseaufio doesnt implement any driver at all innuserpsace it merely controls ALSA. Very poorly I might add....
Originally posted by cb88 View PostFirefox developers are often politically motivated ...they broke ALSA to promote yet another shitty audio layer instead of just fixing the code.
btw, don't you think that firefox by extension doesn't implement anything in userspace and merely controls kernel?
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Originally posted by arQon View Postwe're well down the road to having all the flexibility of a Windows system.
Originally posted by arQon View PostThe Windows services model it copies IS better than init is, in almost every way.
Originally posted by arQon View PostBut each release has more regressions than it has features of any value to me
Originally posted by arQon View Post; and the developers are more interested in landgrabbing than they are in producing functional software.
Originally posted by arQon View PostThe attempt to take over all of userspace, with NIH versions of things that are just ridiculously defective and unready (systemd-resolved, as one example) annoy the hell out of me.
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Originally posted by pal666 View Postit copies macos, you failed from the start
Dear Clueless Newbie,
MacOS was released in 2001. Windows NT, which introduced the current services model, predates it by several years.
ggez ownedkthxbai, to communicate on a level you can understand.
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Originally posted by arQon View Post
orly? :P
Dear Clueless Newbie,
MacOS was released in 2001. Windows NT, which introduced the current services model, predates it by several years.
ggez ownedkthxbai, to communicate on a level you can understand.
Systemd is often praised for enabling various use cases... however it would have been much better if a separate tool had be made to enable those use cases based on the either the old init scripts or something more flexible like launchd just being good at what it does and stopping there.
It's kind of like one of my math teachers told us... nobody does the Laplace transform for a living, by the same token nobody should be spending thier entire time developing an init system, if you are then you have developed something inherently broken and unmaintainable.
I've also done myself a favor and blocked pal666... nobody needs that BS in thier life.
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