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Debian 10.1 Released With First Batch Of Fixes To Buster

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  • pmorph
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    \o
    Once I have everything set up the way I want, "new stuff" coming in would likely be just a distraction. It's of course a different situation if you want to be the first to try out all new trends and developments in linux world, I don't have much interest in that.

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  • jojo7887
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    Originally posted by armetuz View Post
    Why does anybody need an old-style distros like Debian when there are really good rolling distros like Arch Linux?
    For me personally, I prefer Debian stable because I can run a fully offline repo and I have better control over the system, Adding to that I have 9 PC's at home where 4 of them have no internet access most of the time at all and I tend to run tests on them.

    As for software, I don't necessarily need everything on bleeding edge, things like Wine and the Kernel though, I compile those from source regularly and other minor software.

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  • debiangamer
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    Originally posted by armetuz View Post
    Why does anybody need an old-style distros like Debian when there are really good rolling distros like Arch Linux?
    Debian testing/Sid is the best rolling release distribution. Only Debian has resources to make dependencies to work. 99% of Ubuntu packages are from Debian directly so software compatibility is the best. For example, Steam games are supported by SteamOs and Ubuntu only officially. Debian has fast virus free servers around the world so downloading and updating software is fast.

    Code:
    [email protected]:~$ inxi -bM
    System:
      Host: optipc Kernel: 5.3.0-rc5 x86_64 bits: 64 Desktop: Xfce 4.14.1
      Distro: Debian GNU/Linux bullseye/sid
    Machine:
      Type: Desktop Mobo: ASUSTeK model: PRIME B450M-K v: Rev X.0x
      serial: <root required> UEFI [Legacy]: American Megatrends v: 1804
      date: 07/29/2019
    CPU:
      6-Core: AMD Ryzen 5 2600 type: MT MCP speed: 3852 MHz
    Graphics:
      Device-1: AMD Ellesmere [Radeon RX 470/480/570/570X/580/580X/590]
      driver: amdgpu v: kernel
      Display: x11 server: X.Org 1.20.4 driver: amdgpu
      resolution: 3840x2160~60Hz
      OpenGL:
      renderer: Radeon RX 580 Series (POLARIS10 DRM 3.33.0 5.3.0-rc5 LLVM 9.0.0)
      v: 4.5 Mesa 19.3.0-devel (git-538820f 2019-09-03 bionic-oibaf-ppa)
    Last edited by debiangamer; 09-08-2019, 04:43 AM.

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  • GdeR
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    Originally posted by AsciiWolf View Post
    Synaptic unfortunately still doesn't work when using Wayland.
    I'm even surprised it made it in Buster eventually, just before the final freeze. The original plan was to drop it entirely exactly because it wasn't going to work on Wayland. Many Xorg aficionados didn't quite appreciate that though, so it was just kept as it was. I personally can't remind any such exception for any other software on Debian, but I do understand Synaptic has been around for so long, and users got so used to it, it wouldn't have been nice to kill it without any real replacement ready.

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  • archkde
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    Originally posted by armetuz View Post
    Why does anybody need an old-style distros like Debian when there are really good rolling distros like Arch Linux?
    Having to manually fix something all the time because of missing package dependencies and laziness is the opposite of "really good", not even mentioning the frequent regressions because of lacking testing/QA.

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  • discordian
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    Originally posted by armetuz View Post
    Why does anybody need an old-style distros like Debian when there are really good rolling distros like Arch Linux?
    Multi-arch! Install arm and mips libraries on you x86 PC, compile for those archs and run via qemu.

    You have a testing repository, with actual packages (most of the time, except around releases) so the rolling release point isn't as good as an argument as you think. With backports and the stable repo you can have a more rigorously tested installation. Great to run both servers and desktop with Debian.

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  • iugamarian
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    Originally posted by armetuz View Post
    Why does anybody need an old-style distros like Debian when there are really good rolling distros like Arch Linux?
    Some of my reasons:

    1) I have Nvidia GeForce 9600GSO which is a rebranded 8800GS in one of my "experiment" PC's - that requires nvidia-340xx-legacy proprietary drivers - Arch Linux removed it from main repos. I plan on replacing it with a ATI Radeon HD 4650 soon as that works by default on Debian with Chromium 1080p video decoding.

    2) I don't like to use a lot of time for installing a distro as I have many computers - there is an unofficial solution for Arch Linux but it's a little hit and miss:

    https://github.com/MatMoul/archfi

    https://github.com/MatMoul/archdi

    3) Arch Linux wears down SSD's a lot faster because of often updated packages.

    4) Debian keeps "history museums" of old install CD's and DVD's - so when you want to see how it was in 1996 you can.

    Have a nice day!

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  • armetuz
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    Why does anybody need an old-style distros like Debian when there are really good rolling distros like Arch Linux?

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  • jojo7887
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    Originally posted by AsciiWolf View Post
    Synaptic unfortunately still doesn't work when using Wayland.

    Didn't test personally but this might help: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+s...324/comments/4

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  • AsciiWolf
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    Synaptic unfortunately still doesn't work when using Wayland.

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