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Last edited by R41N3R; 07 July 2019, 03:08 AM.
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Originally posted by shmerl View Post
It doesn't ask anything, just fails on sudo apt-get update. So what's the way to work around it?
Code:apt-get --allow-releaseinfo-change update
Hmm... i was using plain apt command there not apt-get, so could be that too... just a guessLast edited by dungeon; 07 July 2019, 03:45 AM.
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Originally posted by andyprough View Post
Not sure what he's looking at. Buster's got the recent mingw 6.0.0.3 which uses GCC 8.3. And updating to a newer kernel is a pain-free experience. Whatever. Sounds like a lot of drama over nothing.
I have tried that release before on Sid and it produced completely broken binaries -- this could be avoided if things were just kept up to date. 🐸
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Originally posted by waxhead View Post
And what exactly makes software outdated?! You can't compare a program to milk that you need to throw away after a certain date. Debian buster is fairly up to date, and the testing repo is more than bleeding edge enough for most users anyway. If you can't wait a month or two (and in some cases less) to get the latest and greatest then you obviously value stability less than shiny. Debian is not a toy - it's for getting real work done!
Hardware compatibility with Debian is a joke, last June I couldn't install it on a Coffee Lake box because it wasn't able to recognize the NIC it had built in, and wouldn't let me through. This is what you get when you use ancient software. A "stable" distro for "getting work done" wouldn't install on my work machine. It's not up to distro maintainers to enforce misery onto users, project maintainers themselves should decide what's stable and what isn't. If something gets a new release, I expect to run it the same day, because it's been declared stable. Arch is a stable distro, there's a testing phase for every package, and stable releases are actually stable. I haven't had issues with it since I started using it as my daily drier in 2015.
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I see a lot of negative comments about Debian but I think it's the only sane distro when you want a stable, supported experience where new stuff won't randomly break your computer.
Ubuntu-based distros used to be the best for that kind of need but since Canonical dropped the ball, the trust is gone.
I install Linux not only for me but for family and friends and I don't want to have to constantly fix things for them.
Most people don't constantly upgrade hardware and can be fine with non-bleeding edge software.
So a rolling-release distro brings nothing but troubles for them.
And aside of Debian-based distros every non-rolling release distro has way too short support (<18 months).
The only real problem with Debian as a user is the Mesa drivers.
Part of the reason why I went back to NVidia: much easier to update independently of the rest of the stack.
I'm also really surprised by people saying they had an horrible experience outside of Arch.
I've been using Mint for me and friend and family for many years and it's been smooth sailing.
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Some people apparently do not understand the word "stable". This thread was hard to read due to the misbelief presented. Debian developers are perfectly competent and aware of what they are doing.
It is true that old does not mean stable. One reason why I switched my servers from Arch to Debian was this notion of stability. It means, that no breaking changes will be introduced throughout the lifetime of the software. Not that it was battle-tested and is now considered stable. But that also applies as a side effect. Only security and bug fixes are applied to the software, no feature updates (but you can opt-in to those too, plus there are backports which I actively use). You may not realise this, but this is quite a lot of work to do on the side of package maintainers. Also then there Debian security team - they release timely fixes to known CVEs. Luckily, I usually have my systems secured according to best practices and CVEs rarely affect me.
Now, Debian is not a great desktop OS. Being universal, it can be used as one. But Fedora gives you a much more polished experience. I use Debian everywhere, on my desktops, servers, laptops and one day, I hope, on my mobile phone too. The company where I work runs everything on Debian. It is a very reliable distro which I strongly recommend despite all of its shortcomings (which are often easy to solve).
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