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EndeavourOS Is Hoping To Be The Successor To Antergos - Convenient To Use Arch Linux
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Originally posted by zanny View Post
The whole point of Arch is to not do things behind your back, an installer that does all the setup for you is antithetical to that.
In practice installing Arch is just setting up the partition and pacstrapping it. Its the same steps an installer like Calamares does except you run a CLI command or two for each step rather than press a next button.
The installation process, despite being straightforward, is a fantastic barrier to entry to keep those who would otherwise inundate the bug tracker / forums with easily solved issues via Google or the wiki on other distros.
If your thinking is typical of Arch users, I hope Arch goes the way of Sidux.
http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.p...64&hilit=sidux
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Originally posted by boxie View Post
it's really easy to do on every other distro too, with even fewer steps and with a more user friendly UX!
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Originally posted by ryad View Post
From my point of view, the user experience of installing Arch is extremely user friendly. But I understand that not everybody agrees. However, I'm sure the successor of Antergos will provide what you're looking for.
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Originally posted by boxie View Post
It's one of those "once you have climbed the mountain it's a lot easier to do again" things
However, as long as you are unwilling to invest at least two hours in reading instructions, Arch is simply the wrong system for you. But please don't infer the generality from you.
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Originally posted by ryad View Post
Since I've installed Arch on a number of systems including different architectures over the last 10 years it's hard to argue against it :-)
However, as long as you are unwilling to invest at least two hours in reading instructions, Arch is simply the wrong system for you. But please don't infer the generality from you.
for me the cost/reward wasn't high enough. I Just moved over to KDE Neon to get the latest and greatest KDE software on top of a rather stable set of supported packages on a system I know well enough.
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I've tried both installing Arch from scratch and use installers like Antergos. To be honest, I prefer the Antergos approach. Sure, it's nice to have full control of what is installed on your system, I get that. In my case, I wanted to install the Deepin DE to play around with. I installed the base packages, booted up, and it was more or less completely borked. Turns out it didn't have any of the standard fonts as dependencies, didn't come with any default icon pack, didn't include PulseAudio or similar, missing some services usually present in deepin base installs (samba or whatever it might be). Can't remember the details, but a ton of things like that. In short, it took in the area of a few hours to figure out all of the things that were missing and add / install / configure them manually. With Antergos, it was basically a one-click install where all of those pieces were installed and pre-configured, working flawless out of the box.
Sure it can be a fun experience to learn and set everything up manually, but sometimes you just want to get up and running as quick as possible.
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Why use Antergos/Manjaro/Endeavouros?- I don't have the time to babysit my OS all the time
- I like their balance between "clean system" and "easy to use".
- I want a rolling distro with up-to-date packages and kernels
- I don't like using PPAs since they tend to break at some point. Fixing: see 1.)
- I love the AUR. All the tools you need, easy and fast to install/compile.
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Originally posted by boxie View Post
I install an OS maybe once every other year.
Sinking time into learning *how* to do (and by that, knowing which commands to type in, when) it is wasted IMO.
The Cost/Reward balance is definitely not in its favour.
The only time it is worth investing time into learning these things is if you need to do it often. And if you have to install Arch that often, is it really worth doing? an OS should really get out of the way and let you do things, not be the thing that gets in the way.
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