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EndeavourOS Is Hoping To Be The Successor To Antergos - Convenient To Use Arch Linux
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If I want a rolling-release distro with an installer, openSUSE Tumbleweed is what I go to.
Arch is ok, but doesn't really offer me anything, and makes (re)installs a total drag. Arch derivatives don't really offer me any benefit over openSUSE TW either. If anything though, Arch was a fun learning experience to install a few times.
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Originally posted by DoMiNeLa10 View PostThis completely misses the point. Arch is easy to instal as is, and it's as user friendly as distros can get. Documentation holds the user's hand through the process of installation and beyond. Any effort to make Arch more "accessible" is a waste of time and effort.
Installing Arch is not at all user friendly, even to those who are well-acquainted with it. Experienced users like us might not struggle with it, but not struggling with something doesn't make it user friendly.
Anyway, to the point of whether or not Arch should be made more accessible, I don't think it's necessary, but I also don't see the problem with it either. A wizard installer (even if CLI-based) would help get Arch installed quicker for those who like the distro but don't care about the minute level of control over what is installed and what services are run. Not that it matters anyway, Arch has slowly grown to add more and more unnecessary dependencies.Last edited by schmidtbag; 16 June 2019, 08:50 PM.
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Just to let some people here know, who claim to be best acquainted with Arch's philosopy and all, Arch Linux had an installer from day 1. After some years, it wasn't properly maintained anymore and couldn't keep up with changes in the distro, so it had to be abandoned.
It was never a design choice to not provide an installer with Arch.
I've installed Arch Linux on countless systems, desktops, workstations, even servers, and it is not about how well you are versed in the system's architecture, it's plain and simple reading through the same shit in the wiki all over again. All this gatekeeping about "only the experienced user wants to/should/is able to use Arch" is just horseshit. Installation is not an entry exam.
Antergos showed how well it actually works: Keep all the mundane setup away from me, but as soon as I want or actually need to get my hands dirty, I still have the KISS system that I love waiting for me.Last edited by ypnos; 17 June 2019, 04:21 AM.
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Originally posted by boxie View Post
the one time I thought "maybe I'll see what this arch stuff is about" I booted the install disk, got dropped to a cli and thought WTF is this shit? and proceeded to delete the VM.
I don't want to work all that hard to get my OS installed. I really don't. We have not needed to do that for nearly 20 years now.
get your shit together arch
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Originally posted by zanny View Post
The whole point of Arch is to not do things behind your back, an installer that does all the setup for you is antithetical to that.
In practice installing Arch is just setting up the partition and pacstrapping it. Its the same steps an installer like Calamares does except you run a CLI command or two for each step rather than press a next button.
The installation process, despite being straightforward, is a fantastic barrier to entry to keep those who would otherwise inundate the bug tracker / forums with easily solved issues via Google or the wiki on other distros.
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I have no opinion on the subject, but I do see arch doing great things on low end arm and ghetto intel/chromebook hardware. There is a place for it.
I have noticed that arch users make up about 75% of the support questions on reddit. With about half of that being related to X thing not working anymore. They seem to be able to get it installed, but seem to have no idea how the OS works, or that it's a rolling release- which is baffling.
As for antegeros, I think I know the source of 'not enough time' from everyone on Earth, but I'm going to keep it politically correct in here to stay on point.
Arch has it's place. But from what I've seen of the other half of the install base(not you guys), it attracts the type of people that install Kali and then ask how to configure a network card. Again, that's just what I see now. I don't interact with rolling releases beyond that.
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Originally posted by 89c51 View PostThe only thing Arch needs is an easy to use point and click installer.
Other than the installation which is a bit of a drag there is nothing inconvenient about arch. TBH i honestly cant understand how they manage to have all the latest stuff and work with no issues.
Jesus Christ. What is this with the "easy to use Arch" meme? Is ArchLinux all of a sudden trending on YTMND?
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