Debian 10 "Buster" Currently Defaults To GNOME On Wayland, But That Still Could Change

[Weasel]

Unused RAM is wasted RAM

RAM is rarely unused though, because of the kernel caches.

I despise this sentiment. I suppose you just leave your car engine running 24/7, keep all of the lights on in your home, and spend every last penny of your paycheck as soon as you can?
This kind of thinking that promotes sloppy code and wasteful behaviors, which in turn forces people to upgrade their hardware that otherwise should have been perfectly capable of handling a certain workload. If you have unused RAM, that should be because you bought too much.

Ranting aside... I do agree that GNOME doesn't have a RAM problem, at least not inherently. I've run it just fine on systems with only 2GB. All it takes is killing off some unnecessary bloated services. The same can be said of a default XFCE install for most distros.

I fully agree with the first part. For the latter, I don't think it "runs" fine on 2 GB systems.

If it uses 1GB of RAM then you have much less room for caching, which will use your SSD a lot more, which will either swap to disk more, consume more power or just be more sluggish overall, depends on your setup. In either case, GNOME just sucks up a huge amount of RAM that could be spent on caching. It's not "unused" as some ignorants think.


Think of it like this: every time you swap to disk, or a file is dropped from the cache, a less amount of RAM "used" by applications would have helped in this situation. Doesn't matter if you have 1TB of RAM or not. If it happens, it was impacted by the wasted RAM of GNOME. It's really that simple.

[schmidtbag]

I fully agree with the first part. For the latter, I don't think it "runs" fine on 2 GB systems.

I suppose I should clarify: it can run fine on 2GB. You have to cut away some of the fat and you're not going to be able to browse the web with a bunch of tabs open, but it is usable. Same goes for KDE: I use KDE for my main laptop and it uses roughly 300MB when it fully boots to the desktop. I use the latest version available from Arch, I use kwin compositing and I use a handful of widgets. My laptop has 6GB of RAM and I have never once used 100% of it. I don't use a swap partition at all.

[retardxfce]

Xfce is perfect by definition. All bugs are actually feature requests.

Also, Xfce currently supports HiDPI better than any other Linux DE (which all have crappy support for HiDPI). I mean, name me ONE linux DE which support seamlessly moving a window between two monitors, while retaining correct DPI. There is none. Also, HiDPi support should primarily be a feature of a display server, not of a DE, so another thing lacking in the retarded Wayland.

I agree that XFCE is perfect but I dont agree that it has HiDPI support which is an unnecessary bloated feature that XFCE doesnt need. HiDPI is an IBM invention to trick users into buying expensive monitors. I have a 1366x768 monitor which works fine with my XFCE desktop without any "wayland" or hidpi". This is a perfect resolution because it allows me to run my games at max settings. With my custom Debian kernel and low latency XFCE desktop I get 35 FPS while running Assassin's Creed 1 on Steam Proton and 54 FPS on Super Tux Kart.

The Human eye cant see above 24 fps anyway so you dont need more.

[schmidtbag]

I agree that gnome3 is perfect but I dont agree that it has HiDPI support which is an unnecessary bloated feature that gnome3 doesnt need. HiDPI is an Apple invention to trick users into buying cheap 4K monitors. I have a 4K monitor which does not work with my Gnome3 desktop with "wayland" or hidpi". This is a perfect resolution because it allows me to run my games at lowest settings. With my stock Fedora kernel and slow Gnome3 desktop I get 0 FPS while running Assassin's Creed 1 on Steam Proton and 0 FPS on Super Tux Kart because the gnome3 desktop with wayland crashes.

The Fedora user eye cant see above 3 fps anyway so you dont need more.

I legitimately had to do a double-take at your username and post count just to make sure it wasn't yet another joke account mimicking you.

[schmidtbag]

You can not code:https://github.com/schmidtbag
Start programming and stop hunting me.

A few things:
1. How is my ability to code at all relevant to anything in this entire discussion, or the comment you replied to?
2. Since when is github the definition of whether you can program something? I'm sure I do more programming than you on a weekly basis (some of which even involves using git, just not github), either for work or for my hobbies. Most of that code can't be publicized, either because it contains private information or because it's specific to a one-of-a-kind piece of hardware. Some of my hobby code is publicly available and open-source, just not posted on github.
3. I am not hunting you. Look back through all your posts with me (from any thread) and you'll find I'm far less aggressive/antagonistic against you than many others.
4. Bold claims warrant feedback whether you're asking for it or not.

[yabgu]

Installed Debian buster and started setting up OBS... What is the first thing I found? Nvenc does not work. I was not even aware they switched to Wayland by default I didn't care either but tried to resolve the issue and no matter what I tried it looks it is all Wayland and Nvidia does not go well. The great news is Ubuntu is still Xorg and they plan to stick for quite some time. At least some distros keeping common sense ironically I switched Debian due to Wayland issues there back then now it is time to switch back