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Debian 10 "Buster" Currently Defaults To GNOME On Wayland, But That Still Could Change

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  • 144Hz
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    debianxfce I choose the same desktop as the XFCE founder Olivier Fourdan. Which also happen to be the default desktop almost everywhere.

    BTW the XFCE founder is busy working not only on the default desktop but also Wayland.
    https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome...e_requests/413

    His code beats your rants.

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  • jacob
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    Let's pretend for a second that debianxfce is not a troll. X has been busy removing features too: remember PEX, MIT-SUNDRY-NONSTANDARD, XC-APPGROUP, XPrint and others? But the problem are things like the old X11 rendering engine, xfs, xrdb, XtIntrinsics, Athena and heaps more of old useless garbage that no one needed in the last 20 years, but that Xorg developers must still carry or it would cease being X. In the meantime, the same backwards compatibility not only prevents them from fully implementing those features that modern users actually want, like proper HiDPI support, tear-free video or secure screen locking, but it also means that a number of known bugs and security issues are forever unfixable.

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  • Danielsan
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    This remind me an harsh article from Italo Vignoli of LibreOffice against Apache Open Office, he stated that AOO was just a move from IBM to distract users from LOO and lead those to M$ Office.

    Unfortunately the link is broken... http://www.italovignoli.com/files/st...officeeaoo.pdf (it was in Italian).

    By the way now we are very OT...

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  • miabrahams
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    Originally posted by Ribs View Post
    It's amazing to see, time and time again, that one troll is able to derail the discussion in the community every single time he appears. Every single time, without fail. He comes in, derails everything with hyperbole and outright lies sometimes (such as here: "Debian 9 & xfce is the best purely on memory usage alone"), and laps up the attention on offer. And every single time, this community falls for it and feeds the troll more and more. And this time he was virtually summoned, as if this was desired behavior, although I'm absolutely certain he would have appeared anyway.

    Every single time I see the name, I see him in the middle of a keyboard warrior fight. Every time, without fail. No contribution, just fighting, anger, trolling, idiotic comments and absolutely no respect for the opinions of others.

    One person is doing serious damage to this community. My account isn't new (August 2016) but I chose not to participate after setting it up, purely because every conversation turns into this horrible disrespectful mess. I doubt I'm the only one. And it seems this forums isn't moderated, as most wouldn't tolerate this behavior.

    Maybe it's some weird inside joke I just don't understand. But for me the message is clear: stay away.
    Part of why I read these forums is because I find debianxfce hilarious. I bet Michael does too, lol

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  • maxmasou
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    Personally I will use Xfce for Buster. But Mate is a strong contender. I like it lightweight, stable and simple. Will see how things evolve for Wayland with Debian Bulleyes...Then maybe Mate or even gnome-shell will be my choice!

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  • Danielsan
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    Originally posted by Ironmask View Post

    Actually, Xfce's support in general is pretty lacking and I recall it being pretty hard-coded to Xorg. I'm a fan of it, but I don't ever expect it to actually be ported to Wayland. I have to wonder if that's why certain people have extreme, unreasonable animosity towards Wayland. To think, they find it easier to bash their head against a brick wall vehemently defending Xorg instead of simply adapting to a new DE.
    Technically when XFCE4 is completely ported to the GTK3 (and it is pretty close to achieve it) should be automagically Wayland ready... Isn't it?

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  • Britoid
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    Originally posted by Ironmask View Post

    Actually, Xfce's support in general is pretty lacking and I recall it being pretty hard-coded to Xorg. I'm a fan of it, but I don't ever expect it to actually be ported to Wayland. I have to wonder if that's why certain people have extreme, unreasonable animosity towards Wayland. To think, they find it easier to bash their head against a brick wall vehemently defending Xorg instead of simply adapting to a new DE.
    Wayland represents change, people hate change.

    same thing as with systemd etc.

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  • Ironmask
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    Originally posted by rstrube View Post

    It will be interesting to see if your hostility towards Wayland remains once XFCE starts supporting Wayland. What will you rail against then
    Actually, Xfce's support in general is pretty lacking and I recall it being pretty hard-coded to Xorg. I'm a fan of it, but I don't ever expect it to actually be ported to Wayland. I have to wonder if that's why certain people have extreme, unreasonable animosity towards Wayland. To think, they find it easier to bash their head against a brick wall vehemently defending Xorg instead of simply adapting to a new DE.

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  • jacob
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    Originally posted by Ironmask View Post

    IBM must have done this evil deed, nobody else supports Wayland
    Wayland is a criminal conspiracy led by Poettering and RedHat who secretly want to destroy Unix and punchcards.

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  • Ribs
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    It's amazing to see, time and time again, that one troll is able to derail the discussion in the community every single time he appears. Every single time, without fail. He comes in, derails everything with hyperbole and outright lies sometimes (such as here: "Debian 9 & xfce is the best purely on memory usage alone"), and laps up the attention on offer. And every single time, this community falls for it and feeds the troll more and more. And this time he was virtually summoned, as if this was desired behavior, although I'm absolutely certain he would have appeared anyway.

    Every single time I see the name, I see him in the middle of a keyboard warrior fight. Every time, without fail. No contribution, just fighting, anger, trolling, idiotic comments and absolutely no respect for the opinions of others.

    One person is doing serious damage to this community. My account isn't new (August 2016) but I chose not to participate after setting it up, purely because every conversation turns into this horrible disrespectful mess. I doubt I'm the only one. And it seems this forums isn't moderated, as most wouldn't tolerate this behavior.

    Maybe it's some weird inside joke I just don't understand. But for me the message is clear: stay away.

    Leave a comment:

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