Originally posted by Weasel
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What stops you from using them? Has RH forced *you* to use systemd? Has RH lawyers contacted your favorite distribution and threatened to sue them if they keep sysv?
Then you have PulseAudio, which technically had no alternative at the time but it got pushed so hard when it was extremely buggy that now almost everything depends on it.
It was neither pushed down your throat, nor was it hastily adopted by most distribution.
Yes, it was immediately adopted by Fedora, but this is what Fedora is for! (And at least in my case, and I'm talking about >100 machines running Fedora, PA was never as buggy as you describe)
And even if PA was unstable when it was released, so?
Should I give you a list of OSS projects that were buggy at first? Linux 0.x and 1.x, Linux 2.6, RedHat 5.x, Fedora Core 1, KDE 1, KDE 4, GNOME 3, etc, etc.
Nobody could come up with any alternatives, it's like pissing against the wind, you just don't do it when the wind pushes so hard. Of course, it's decent now, but it wasn't at the beginning.
Yeah, they are solving my problem for free, spent God-knows-how-many man-hours to do so, but I still plan to cry foul about it! Because... Because... something.
Come on!
Beyond that, building an alternative to PA is pissing against the wind? Good. Nothing wrong with it!
This is open source. You cannot __kill__ an alternative as long as there's a community around it that's passionate enough to fight for what they believe.
Qt (vs GTK), KDE (vs GNOME), LibreOffice (vs OpenOffice and MSOffice), Xorg (vs XFree86) and even the Linux kernel itself (vs world) are a living testament for this fact.
Problem is, the vast majority of Linux __developers__ and __users__ either have no real issue with systemd and PA or actually like it, hence alternatives are failing to grab mindshare and developershare.
You see even PipeWire tries to make compatible interface to pulse, you simply can't have an alternative otherwise. So it killed off any alternative interfaces, and let me tell you, pulse's interface is garbage, and now we're stuck with it.
What exactly prevents PW from using Alsa directly?
Reminds me of Microsoft. Oh wait, I've said that so many times now, but MS get a lot of flak, while RH get praise. Typical open source community.
Amazing.
BTW, Have you considered helping one of the "alternatives" as opposed to wasting your time trash talking RH in Phoronix forum?
EDIT: I just noticed you didn't mention **one** superior technology that was killed by RH. I assume you have none?
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