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  • #31
    Originally posted by vegabook View Post
    Having always been a Fedora try-it-then-dump-it (for Ubuntu) guy, I'm getting the sense that Red Hat is suddenly making a big effort to turn this distro into the new desktop default.

    I may even give it an extended try on 29. I'll force myself. Because while I don't think "stutter free boot" is a big deal, it does send a big positive message on the idea of attention to detail. And this kind of aesthetic attention to detail is what I always liked about Ubuntu. Which Shuttleworth is de-emphasizing.

    I'm kinda ready to switch loyalty. And I speak as a South African (not that that matters a great deal but, all other things equal, I was always willing to give Ubuntu the benefit of the doubt. Now I'm less certain than I've ever been and I can imagine what non-partisans must be feeling. I switch on 5-year horizon criteria and I'm getting a very good feeling about Fedora's long term commitment to the Linux desktop).
    I can tell you my experience, I stayed in Ubuntu for many years, Ubuntu has a great dynamic platform. But then for various reasons I decided to try something different, starting from the assumption that Mint, ElementaryOS etc. I'm always Ubuntu, I looked around. Fedora has always been an option, but I do not like the limited support time of a release, so in the end I opted for openSUSE. I admit that at the beginning it was not easy because it is a very different distribution from Ubuntu, but it was a way to learn, Leap has a support of over 2 years which for me are more than enough. I discovered a new world, I do not say that it is better or worse than Ubuntu because I think it depends a lot on various factors, but I stayed at openSUSE, because I think it is a very good quality distribution and in my case it worked very well. But what I want to say is that if you have time to learn, change can only make you well.

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    • #32
      My experience on lower-end desktops is that hibernation works. I would prefer to use suspend, but on a Kaveri the option to wake on a keypress had been removed from the bios/efi, and more generally suspend only works if a PS/2 keyboard is connected (and those connectors seem "fragile" nowadays, or maybe I'm just getting clumsy). But in theory PS/2 KVM switches are dying out, so not sure what will happen when I eventually move from a PS/2+VGA KVM switch to usb+hdmi.

      For suspend, it worked on an i7 haswell until I broke the PS/2 connector, it works on old machines (i3 SandyBridge, old Phenom), and it works on my Ryzen 3 1300X now that I have an old Radeon graphics card. On that machine I initially fitted a GT710 - very low power consumption, ok with nouveau in a tty, but regularly crashed in X and was not able to suspend.

      But "works" typically means that in one resume out of maybe 10 it doesn't come back properly (mostly, no video). But hibernation is a lot more reliable these days - when I first got this particular Kaveri mobo it harly ever managed to resume.

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      • #33
        Well, just performed a few tests on my Asus GL552JX with the following configuration:
        Code:
        raptor                      
            description: Notebook
            product: GL552JX (ASUS-NotebookSKU)
            vendor: ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC.
            version: 1.0
            serial: F4N0CV333467167
            width: 64 bits
            capabilities: smbios-2.7 dmi-2.7 smp vsyscall32
            configuration: boot=normal chassis=notebook family=GL sku=ASUS-NotebookSKU uuid=B9E58D73-84F3-4245-A157-125187360F2C
          *-core
               description: Motherboard
               product: GL552JX
               vendor: ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC.
               physical id: 0
               version: 1.0
               serial: BSN12345678901234567
               slot: MIDDLE
             *-firmware
                  description: BIOS
                  vendor: American Megatrends Inc.
                  physical id: 0
                  version: GL552JX.202
                  date: 02/05/2015
                  size: 64KiB
                  capacity: 6MiB
                  capabilities: pci upgrade shadowing cdboot bootselect socketedrom edd int13floppy1200 int13floppy720 int13floppy2880 int5printscreen int9keyboard int14serial int17printer acpi usb smartbattery biosbootspecification uefi
             *-cpu
                  description: CPU
                  product: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-4720HQ CPU @ 2.60GHz
                  vendor: Intel Corp.
                  physical id: 7
                  bus info: [email protected]
                  version: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-4720HQ CPU @ 2.60GHz
                  slot: SOCKET 0
                  size: 2987MHz
                  capacity: 3800MHz
                  width: 64 bits
                  clock: 100MHz
                  capabilities: lm fpu fpu_exception wp vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe syscall nx pdpe1gb rdtscp x86-64 constant_tsc arch_perfmon pebs bts rep_good nopl xtopology nonstop_tsc cpuid aperfmperf pni pclmulqdq dtes64 monitor ds_cpl vmx est tm2 ssse3 sdbg fma cx16 xtpr pdcm pcid sse4_1 sse4_2 x2apic movbe popcnt tsc_deadline_timer aes xsave avx f16c rdrand lahf_lm abm cpuid_fault epb invpcid_single pti ssbd ibrs ibpb stibp tpr_shadow vnmi flexpriority ept vpid fsgsbase tsc_adjust bmi1 avx2 smep bmi2 erms invpcid xsaveopt dtherm ida arat pln pts flush_l1d cpufreq
                  configuration: cores=4 enabledcores=4 threads=8
                *-cache:0
                     description: L2 cache
                     physical id: 8
                     slot: CPU Internal L2
                     size: 1MiB
                     capacity: 1MiB
                     capabilities: internal write-back unified
                     configuration: level=2
                *-cache:1
                     description: L1 cache
                     physical id: 9
                     slot: CPU Internal L1
                     size: 256KiB
                     capacity: 256KiB
                     capabilities: internal write-back
                     configuration: level=1
                *-cache:2
                     description: L3 cache
                     physical id: a
                     slot: CPU Internal L3
                     size: 6MiB
                     capacity: 6MiB
                     capabilities: internal write-back unified
                     configuration: level=3
             *-memory
                  description: System Memory
                  physical id: b
                  slot: System board or motherboard
                  size: 12GiB
                *-bank:0
                     description: SODIMM DDR3 Synchronous 1600 MHz (0.6 ns)
                     product: HMT41GS6BFR8A-PB
                     vendor: Hynix/Hyundai
                     physical id: 0
                     serial: 085A378B
                     slot: ChannelA-DIMM0
                     size: 8GiB
                     width: 64 bits
                     clock: 1600MHz (0.6ns)
                *-bank:1
                     description: DIMM [empty]
                     product: [Empty]
                     vendor: [Empty]
                     physical id: 1
                     serial: [Empty]
                     slot: ChannelA-DIMM1
                *-bank:2
                     description: SODIMM DDR3 Synchronous 1600 MHz (0.6 ns)
                     product: HMT451S6BFR8A-PB
                     vendor: Hynix/Hyundai
                     physical id: 2
                     serial: 0F66EC70
                     slot: ChannelB-DIMM0
                     size: 4GiB
                     width: 64 bits
                     clock: 1600MHz (0.6ns)
                *-bank:3
                     description: DIMM [empty]
                     product: [Empty]
                     vendor: [Empty]
                     physical id: 3
                     serial: [Empty]
                     slot: ChannelB-DIMM1
             *-pci
                  description: Host bridge
                  product: Xeon E3-1200 v3/4th Gen Core Processor DRAM Controller
                  vendor: Intel Corporation
                  physical id: 100
                  bus info: [email protected]:00:00.0
                  version: 06
                  width: 32 bits
                  clock: 33MHz
                *-pci:0
                     description: PCI bridge
                     product: Xeon E3-1200 v3/4th Gen Core Processor PCI Express x16 Controller
                     vendor: Intel Corporation
                     physical id: 1
                     bus info: [email protected]:00:01.0
                     version: 06
                     width: 32 bits
                     clock: 33MHz
                     capabilities: pci pm msi pciexpress normal_decode bus_master cap_list
                     configuration: driver=pcieport
                     resources: irq:26 ioport:e000(size=4096) memory:f6000000-f70fffff ioport:e0000000(size=301989888)
                   *-display
                        description: 3D controller
                        product: GM107M [GeForce GTX 950M]
                        vendor: NVIDIA Corporation
                        physical id: 0
                        bus info: [email protected]:01:00.0
                        version: a2
                        width: 64 bits
                        clock: 33MHz
                        capabilities: pm msi pciexpress bus_master cap_list rom
                        configuration: driver=nvidia latency=0
                        resources: irq:39 memory:f6000000-f6ffffff memory:e0000000-efffffff memory:f0000000-f1ffffff ioport:e000(size=128) memory:f7000000-f707ffff
                *-display
                     description: VGA compatible controller
                     product: 4th Gen Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller
                     vendor: Intel Corporation
                     physical id: 2
                     bus info: [email protected]:00:02.0
                     version: 06
                     width: 64 bits
                     clock: 33MHz
                     capabilities: msi pm vga_controller bus_master cap_list rom
                     configuration: driver=i915 latency=0
                     resources: irq:35 memory:f7400000-f77fffff memory:d0000000-dfffffff ioport:f000(size=64) memory:c0000-dffff
                *-multimedia:0
                     description: Audio device
                     product: Xeon E3-1200 v3/4th Gen Core Processor HD Audio Controller
                     vendor: Intel Corporation
                     physical id: 3
                     bus info: [email protected]:00:03.0
                     version: 06
                     width: 64 bits
                     clock: 33MHz
                     capabilities: pm msi pciexpress bus_master cap_list
                     configuration: driver=snd_hda_intel latency=0
                     resources: irq:38 memory:f7a14000-f7a17fff
                *-usb:0
                     description: USB controller
                     product: 8 Series/C220 Series Chipset Family USB xHCI
                     vendor: Intel Corporation
                     physical id: 14
                     bus info: [email protected]:00:14.0
                     version: 05
                     width: 64 bits
                     clock: 33MHz
                     capabilities: pm msi xhci bus_master cap_list
                     configuration: driver=xhci_hcd latency=0
                     resources: irq:32 memory:f7a00000-f7a0ffff
                *-communication
                     description: Communication controller
                     product: 8 Series/C220 Series Chipset Family MEI Controller #1
                     vendor: Intel Corporation
                     physical id: 16
                     bus info: [email protected]:00:16.0
                     version: 04
                     width: 64 bits
                     clock: 33MHz
                     capabilities: pm msi bus_master cap_list
                     configuration: driver=mei_me latency=0
                     resources: irq:36 memory:f7a1e000-f7a1e00f
                *-usb:1
                     description: USB controller
                     product: 8 Series/C220 Series Chipset Family USB EHCI #2
                     vendor: Intel Corporation
                     physical id: 1a
                     bus info: [email protected]:00:1a.0
                     version: 05
                     width: 32 bits
                     clock: 33MHz
                     capabilities: pm debug ehci bus_master cap_list
                     configuration: driver=ehci-pci latency=0
                     resources: irq:16 memory:f7a1c000-f7a1c3ff
                *-multimedia:1
                     description: Audio device
                     product: 8 Series/C220 Series Chipset High Definition Audio Controller
                     vendor: Intel Corporation
                     physical id: 1b
                     bus info: [email protected]:00:1b.0
                     version: 05
                     width: 64 bits
                     clock: 33MHz
                     capabilities: pm msi pciexpress bus_master cap_list
                     configuration: driver=snd_hda_intel latency=0
                     resources: irq:37 memory:f7a10000-f7a13fff
                *-pci:1
                     description: PCI bridge
                     product: 8 Series/C220 Series Chipset Family PCI Express Root Port #1
                     vendor: Intel Corporation
                     physical id: 1c
                     bus info: [email protected]:00:1c.0
                     version: d5
                     width: 32 bits
                     clock: 33MHz
                     capabilities: pci pciexpress msi pm normal_decode bus_master cap_list
                     configuration: driver=pcieport
                     resources: irq:27
                *-pci:2
                     description: PCI bridge
                     product: 8 Series/C220 Series Chipset Family PCI Express Root Port #2
                     vendor: Intel Corporation
                     physical id: 1c.1
                     bus info: [email protected]:00:1c.1
                     version: d5
                     width: 32 bits
                     clock: 33MHz
                     capabilities: pci pciexpress msi pm normal_decode bus_master cap_list
                     configuration: driver=pcieport
                     resources: irq:28 ioport:2000(size=4096) memory:cfe00000-cfffffff ioport:f2000000(size=2097152)
                *-pci:3
                     description: PCI bridge
                     product: 8 Series/C220 Series Chipset Family PCI Express Root Port #3
                     vendor: Intel Corporation
                     physical id: 1c.2
                     bus info: [email protected]:00:1c.2
                     version: d5
                     width: 32 bits
                     clock: 33MHz
                     capabilities: pci pciexpress msi pm normal_decode bus_master cap_list
                     configuration: driver=pcieport
                     resources: irq:29 memory:f7900000-f79fffff
                   *-network
                        description: Wireless interface
                        product: QCA9565 / AR9565 Wireless Network Adapter
                        vendor: Qualcomm Atheros
                        physical id: 0
                        bus info: [email protected]:04:00.0
                        logical name: wlp4s0
                        version: 01
                        serial: dc:85:de:f8:3b:6d
                        width: 64 bits
                        clock: 33MHz
                        capabilities: pm msi pciexpress bus_master cap_list rom ethernet physical wireless
                        configuration: broadcast=yes driver=ath9k driverversion=4.18.9-200.fc28.x86_64 firmware=N/A ip=192.168.1.66 latency=0 link=yes multicast=yes wireless=IEEE 802.11
                        resources: irq:18 memory:f7900000-f797ffff memory:f7980000-f798ffff
                *-pci:4
                     description: PCI bridge
                     product: 8 Series/C220 Series Chipset Family PCI Express Root Port #4
                     vendor: Intel Corporation
                     physical id: 1c.3
                     bus info: [email protected]:00:1c.3
                     version: d5
                     width: 32 bits
                     clock: 33MHz
                     capabilities: pci pciexpress msi pm normal_decode bus_master cap_list
                     configuration: driver=pcieport
                     resources: irq:30 ioport:d000(size=4096) memory:f7800000-f78fffff
                   *-generic
                        description: Unassigned class
                        product: RTL8411B PCI Express Card Reader
                        vendor: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.
                        physical id: 0
                        bus info: [email protected]:05:00.0
                        version: 01
                        width: 32 bits
                        clock: 33MHz
                        capabilities: pm msi pciexpress msix vpd bus_master cap_list rom
                        configuration: driver=rtsx_pci latency=0
                        resources: irq:33 memory:f7815000-f7815fff memory:f7800000-f780ffff
                   *-network
                        description: Ethernet interface
                        product: RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet Controller
                        vendor: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.
                        physical id: 0.1
                        bus info: [email protected]:05:00.1
                        logical name: enp5s0f1
                        version: 12
                        serial: 1c:b7:2c:1c:e1:d2
                        size: 10Mbit/s
                        capacity: 1Gbit/s
                        width: 64 bits
                        clock: 33MHz
                        capabilities: pm msi pciexpress msix vpd bus_master cap_list ethernet physical tp mii 10bt 10bt-fd 100bt 100bt-fd 1000bt 1000bt-fd autonegotiation
                        configuration: autonegotiation=on broadcast=yes driver=r8169 driverversion=2.3LK-NAPI duplex=half firmware=rtl8411-2_0.0.1 07/08/13 latency=0 link=no multicast=yes port=MII speed=10Mbit/s
                        resources: irq:19 ioport:d000(size=256) memory:f7814000-f7814fff memory:f7810000-f7813fff
                *-usb:2
                     description: USB controller
                     product: 8 Series/C220 Series Chipset Family USB EHCI #1
                     vendor: Intel Corporation
                     physical id: 1d
                     bus info: [email protected]:00:1d.0
                     version: 05
                     width: 32 bits
                     clock: 33MHz
                     capabilities: pm debug ehci bus_master cap_list
                     configuration: driver=ehci-pci latency=0
                     resources: irq:23 memory:f7a1b000-f7a1b3ff
                *-isa
                     description: ISA bridge
                     product: HM86 Express LPC Controller
                     vendor: Intel Corporation
                     physical id: 1f
                     bus info: [email protected]:00:1f.0
                     version: 05
                     width: 32 bits
                     clock: 33MHz
                     capabilities: isa bus_master cap_list
                     configuration: driver=lpc_ich latency=0
                     resources: irq:0
                *-sata
                     description: SATA controller
                     product: 8 Series/C220 Series Chipset Family 6-port SATA Controller 1 [AHCI mode]
                     vendor: Intel Corporation
                     physical id: 1f.2
                     bus info: [email protected]:00:1f.2
                     logical name: scsi2
                     logical name: scsi4
                     version: 05
                     width: 32 bits
                     clock: 66MHz
                     capabilities: sata msi pm ahci_1.0 bus_master cap_list emulated
                     configuration: driver=ahci latency=0
                     resources: irq:31 ioport:f0b0(size=8) ioport:f0a0(size=4) ioport:f090(size=8) ioport:f080(size=4) ioport:f060(size=32) memory:f7a1a000-f7a1a7ff
                   *-cdrom
                        description: DVD-RAM writer
                        product: DVD-RAM UJ8G6
                        vendor: MATSHITA
                        physical id: 0
                        bus info: [email protected]:0.0.0
                        logical name: /dev/cdrom
                        logical name: /dev/sr0
                        version: 1.00
                        capabilities: removable audio cd-r cd-rw dvd dvd-r dvd-ram
                        configuration: ansiversion=5 status=nodisc
                   *-disk
                        description: ATA Disk
                        product: WDC WDS100T1B0A-
                        vendor: Western Digital
                        physical id: 1
                        bus info: [email protected]:0.0.0
                        logical name: /dev/sda
                        version: 10WD
                        serial: 171918800099
                        size: 931GiB (1TB)
                        capabilities: gpt-1.00 partitioned partitioned:gpt
                        configuration: ansiversion=5 guid=674b4be3-3ee2-41d8-b02a-4d9dc0659372 logicalsectorsize=512 sectorsize=512
        ------             
                *-serial
                     description: SMBus
                     product: 8 Series/C220 Series Chipset Family SMBus Controller
                     vendor: Intel Corporation
                     physical id: 1f.3
                     bus info: [email protected]:00:1f.3
                     version: 05
                     width: 64 bits
                     clock: 33MHz
                     configuration: driver=i801_smbus latency=0
                     resources: irq:18 memory:f7a19000-f7a190ff ioport:f040(size=32)
        ----
        
          *-network:0
               description: Ethernet interface
               physical id: 1
               logical name: virbr0
               serial: 52:54:00:dd:00:99
               capabilities: ethernet physical
               configuration: broadcast=yes driver=bridge driverversion=2.3 firmware=N/A ip=192.168.122.1 link=no multicast=yes
          *-network:1 DISABLED
               description: Ethernet interface
               physical id: 2
               logical name: virbr0-nic
               serial: 52:54:00:dd:00:99
               size: 10Mbit/s
               capabilities: ethernet physical
               configuration: autonegotiation=off broadcast=yes driver=tun driverversion=1.6 duplex=full link=no multicast=yes port=twisted pair speed=10Mbit/s
        Thus far the results with Fedora 28 with kenrel 4.18.9 are:
        • Resume from suspend - Works flawlessly for various cycles, but seemingly randomly wireless reliability is lost, status is connected, just no communications are possible, and the AP is working correctly as corroborated by an assortment of other wireless devices (phones, tablets).
        • Hibernation does not work - While sending the system to hibernate seems to work (system shows a LOT of disk activity and then shuts down), resuming from hibernation does not work.


        The system is installed with Fedora 28 in single-boot mode, i.e no Secure Boot nonsense or fast boot enabled in the BIOS, partitioning and boot are in UEFI mode. Sending the system to hibernation does not allow resume from GRUB (no option or entry to resume from swap).

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        • #34
          Thinkpad T440p - on both hibernate and suspend I've got issues with VPN connection at home, and with Windows VM connectivity at work, so currently it's shutdown for me at both places.

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          • #35
            Suspend was working perfectly for my Dell Latitude E7440 with Fedora 24-28. I was having uptimes of over 30-50 days, with sleeping at least once a day. Never had to use hibernate on that system, as battery while sleeping will last over the whole weekend.

            Now with my new Dell XPS 15 9570 ( BIOS 1.4.1), neither suspend nor hibernate work on a Fedora 28. On suspend, most times it gets stuck in a powered on state, and I can't wake it up but it still drains the battery. Hibernate sometimes works, but more often than not, it will pretend to hibernate, then come back up to the login screen seconds later. This forces me to resort to full shutdowns each time, or I end up with a roasting laptop in my backpack.

            There are known issues with the XPS 9570 and Dell was "kind" enough to disable S3 in BIOSes later than 1.2.x (factory bios). What is worse, after a suspend, CPU usually gets stuck in C2 state, and can't get to the low powered states (C6-C7).

            I currently have 16GB RAM and 8GB swap, so I will try hibernate with a bigger swap, as that could be the issue in my case.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by Thetargos View Post
              The system is installed with Fedora 28 in single-boot mode, i.e no Secure Boot nonsense or fast boot enabled in the BIOS, partitioning and boot are in UEFI mode. Sending the system to hibernation does not allow resume from GRUB (no option or entry to resume from swap).
              Have you tried appending resume=/your/swap/partition (better specify it by UUID) to your command line? You might also miss a resume hook? I don't know Fedora too well.

              Suspend (S3, to RAM) isn't working (fails to resume) on my Archlinux + MSI B350M BAZOOKA + Ryzen 7 2700X + R9 Fury, but I haven't had time to investigate. I didn't try to hibernate, as it seems like sleep would be needed first.

              On the other hand, it is working perfectly on my work laptop, a DELL Lattitude 5580 + Archlinux. However, I never tried to suspend to disk (hibernate), because:
              • It's a security issue, as my harddisk keys would remain in the swap. I would need to set encrypted swap up, but that's a hassle. I would like the TPM to protect the decryption key, and this be handled automatically, but that's likely not a common use-case outside of corporate.
              • Well, I'm not sure it would boot faster. The longest part of my boot process is me entering the decryption key (due to being too lazy to configure the TPM for this). Then KDE takes a good chunk of the remaining boot time.

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              • #37
                Hibernation works fine for me except with the 4.17 kernel. I am not sure if the issue had with AMDGPU and my two monitors to do.

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                • #38
                  This is how suspend (not hibernation!) works on my 3 machines:

                  - Desktop: Arch Linux, AMD Ryzen 5 1600, AMD Radeon Fury X, Some ASUS motherboard (works fine every time)
                  - Laptop: Archi Linux, Some Intel Broadwell i5 (3rd gen ThinkPad Carbon X1) and Intel graphics (works fine every time)
                  - Desktop at work: Debian 9.4, Intel 7700K, NVidia 1050ti, Unknown motherboard (Works 9/10 times, the last 1/10 times it simply does not wake up from suspend and reboots)

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                  • #39
                    It's mostly horrible.
                    I had a Lenovo thinkpad T540, T580, and now have a DELL XPS 15 9570, all have suspend and resume issues.
                    Problems are:
                    - failing to suspend (goes to 100% cpu usage or hangs)
                    - failing to resume (starts from fresh boot instead)
                    - waking up for no reason and running super hot inside my bag almost baking the laptop because of no ventilation, presumably because it burns 100% cpu (rare, but happened)
                    - time not synchronized after resume (ntpd exits for some reason and needs to be restarted)
                    I noticed it depends on the order of docking/undocking and have had better experience if I undock first, then suspend, then wake up and only after that dock back. That is, dock/undock has to be on a running system, if docking/undocking happens while suspended if frequently dies.

                    Last edited by daml; 05 October 2018, 02:59 AM.

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                    • #40
                      I only used hibernation when TuxonIce was available with a Pentium 4 256MB and a Core 2 duo 2GB MBP. It made suspend to disk reliable, stable and convenient:
                      • Caches would be restored, giving a responsive system after hibernation (Windows and vanilla Linux dump all caches)
                      • Memory could be compressed, reducing disk size
                      • It could use a file instead of swap space, therefore avoiding race conditions during hibernation
                      Then I gave up on hibernation with my MacBook Pro 13" late 2013 and now with my X1 Carbon 6 Gen, haven't even bothered, as it would not work most of the time, or crash and inconvenient due to not having the listed features. It's a pity that all this work was lost and never properly ported to the kernel (see this LWN article for a summary).

                      For hibernation to be useful, these features should be ported to mainline.

                      (BTW if you own a 6th gen X1, you can now fully use S3 sleep since last BIOS upgrade in September, thanks Lenovo for supporting Linux!)

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