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    Phoronix: Linux Mint Debian Edition 3 Now Shipping

    If you are a fan of Linux Mint and their GNOME/GTK-forked Cinnamon desktop but prefer not having the Ubuntu base, Linux Mint Debian Edition 3 "Cindy" is now available...

    http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?pag...namon-Shipping

  • #2
    Originally posted by tichun
    Would there be a difference if they added a bundle of packages to Debian
    And on the other hand: Debian already DOES offer both Mate and Cinnamon desktops you can choose them when installing Debian. It would be sufficient just to add a repo with those very few packages which are Mint only atm. (e.g. nemo-dropbox or nemo-share)

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    • #3
      Originally posted by tichun
      edit 2: imagine ubuntu, red hat, steamos, clear linux, chromeos etc. as one.
      The whole point of derivatives is having full control over what your distro ships and what not, and how.

      So that when there is somethign to change or an issue to solve you can do it without having to deal with hundreds of different people that may or may not care about your specific issue.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by George99 View Post
        And on the other hand: Debian already DOES offer both Mate and Cinnamon desktops you can choose them when installing Debian. It would be sufficient just to add a repo with those very few packages which are Mint only atm. (e.g. nemo-dropbox or nemo-share)
        Because we need more distributions, you can't have enough of that, why pool resources and make existing ones better when you can fork and waste already thin developer resources of the Linux "community" even more.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by George99 View Post
          And on the other hand: Debian already DOES offer both Mate and Cinnamon desktops you can choose them when installing Debian. It would be sufficient just to add a repo with those very few packages which are Mint only atm. (e.g. nemo-dropbox or nemo-share)
          They package a few more applications than that, afaik Firefox is kept updated.

          But still, they already have their own repo with their own stuff, and some packages ship configuration files to morph Debian into LMDE.
          http://packages.linuxmint.com/

          The rest of their sources.list pulls packages from Debian (or Ubuntu if it's not LMDE).

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Cerberus View Post
            Because we need more distributions, you can't have enough of that, why pool resources and make existing ones better when you can fork and waste already thin developer resources of the Linux "community" even more.
            You can't make existing ones better if their leaders disagree with your vision.

            If there is someone to blame for this specific case we can blame Ubuntu. Linux Mint was born when Ubuntu switched from GNOME2 to Unity.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by starshipeleven View Post
              You can't make existing ones better if their leaders disagree with your vision.

              If there is someone to blame for this specific case we can blame Ubuntu. Linux Mint was born when Ubuntu switched from GNOME2 to Unity.
              Nice strawman you got there. Nothing stops you from fixing bugs and submitting code and patches to existing projects or submitting your work to the archives and maintaining it. And there is A LOT to be fixed, patched and improved in various parts of Linux desktop. You like KDE? Improve KDE. You like Gnome? Improve Gnome. You have an idea for a new desktop? Great make it and maintain it and if it's any good it will get in the archives.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by starshipeleven View Post
                Linux Mint was born when Ubuntu switched from GNOME2 to Unity.
                Nope, Mint was born and created to deal with shitty US laws (to take advantage of "not all laws works same way everywhere") Since they are from Europe (Ireland in particular, there these laws does not work) they started by providing blob codecs, mp3 support, flash, etc... everything what was missing from Ubuntu default and even illegal (particulary in US) to be shipped at the time

                Only many years later on they started doing their own tools and UIs, Gnome forks, etc...
                Last edited by dungeon; 31 August 2018, 11:15 AM.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Cerberus View Post

                  Because we need more distributions, you can't have enough of that, why pool resources and make existing ones better when you can fork and waste already thin developer resources of the Linux "community" even more.
                  We don't have the right to tell other developers how they spend their time. So yes, I would prefer if all of the Linux desktop contributors in the world picked one distribution and one desktop and just made it awesome. Low resource use, easily configurable inside the single desktop to do anything from barebones XMonad or iceWM up to some gorgeous beast with better eyecandy than anything proprietary. One package format and every package you can imagine, etc...

                  But people won't do that, we cannot and should not force them to do that. And if we are to be angry at any person or group over the situation it should be the state of the world in general. If 5% of the money poured into proprietary software today went into free software, there would be so many free software contributors that instead of one totally awesome, all-things-to-all-users Linux distribution there would be dozens.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Cerberus View Post
                    Nice strawman you got there. Nothing stops you from fixing bugs and submitting code and patches to existing projects or submitting your work to the archives and maintaining it.
                    Bugs have nothing to do with this.
                    Upstreaming bug fixes from downstream projects still happens as long as the downstream project follows upstream in some form.

                    But when upstream has a different vision than downstream, any change going against their vision will be rejected, and that's when forking is the only choice.

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