Elementary OS Juno Beta 1 Released

[horizonbrave]

I think we have enough GTK based desktops.. I guess we should focus on the others could so that they could thrive again (yes Gnome, you too).

And I just found this article:
7 Things elementary OS Does Terribly Wrong in 2018!

[Michael_S]

I can't remember the first 2 issues, but the third was with the app store and package management. I didn't like it and so I installed a different package manager and when the package would install I got some obtuse error that package installs using this method are no longer supported in Loki. I looked up the error and it appeared a few others Loki testers were getting the same error. To support it I had to enter a some CLI to re-activate that process and it worked. Packages could install as before. I took this as a desire of the Elementary devs to limit package installs to only what was available in their app garden.

Sorry I am not being more specific, as it was a few moons ago.

I had Elementary on 4 different systems at one time, now I am down to a single partition, which admittedly I haven't booted in many months.

Sorry I'm late to respond. Thanks for taking the time to reply. Interesting. I do all of my package management from the command line, which is a mixed blessing. The good part is that it usually does what I want and does it quickly. But then when a friend or relative has to install something on their own machine, I have to look up the GUI way to do it myself first before walking them through it.

[fuzz]

I am interested in their application development model but I wish they would support shipping them outside of their own app store. And the github requirement is atrocious.

[edwaleni]

What did they remove from Loki that you liked? I'm a power user and I didn't have any issues.

I can't remember the first 2 issues, but the third was with the app store and package management. I didn't like it and so I installed a different package manager and when the package would install I got some obtuse error that package installs using this method are no longer supported in Loki. I looked up the error and it appeared a few others Loki testers were getting the same error. To support it I had to enter a some CLI to re-activate that process and it worked. Packages could install as before. I took this as a desire of the Elementary devs to limit package installs to only what was available in their app garden.

Sorry I am not being more specific, as it was a few moons ago.

I had Elementary on 4 different systems at one time, now I am down to a single partition, which admittedly I haven't booted in many months.

[Michael_S]

I don't want to start a flame war but to me as a developer using GTK based distros and apps feels like investing time in something outdated. Linux for me is all about contributing and creating, and I want to develop using modern, future-proof tools. Not saying that Qt is especially modern compared to the toolkits on Windows and macOS but it still beats GTK in that area.

I haven't dived into GTK code. But the toolkit keeps getting new releases and it has partial (full?) Wayland support. So I don't think it's stuck in the past. It may be behind Qt or other equivalents, I'm not in a position to judge. From my perspective, though, as long as it's not simply rotting away without updates it's fine.

I was pretty up on Elementary and contributed cash to their efforts, but then Loki came out. Noticed how the devs started removing certain functions that typical Linux people use in the name of "usability and simplicity". After re-adding my third function, I pretty much moved on and haven't booted it in awhile.

I will give Juno a spin and see what has changed. I like Elementary's approach to the desktop, but I still want to access some power functions without having to go back and undo what the devs have done.

What did they remove from Loki that you liked? I'm a power user and I didn't have any issues.

[edwaleni]

I was pretty up on Elementary and contributed cash to their efforts, but then Loki came out. Noticed how the devs started removing certain functions that typical Linux people use in the name of "usability and simplicity". After re-adding my third function, I pretty much moved on and haven't booted it in awhile.

I will give Juno a spin and see what has changed. I like Elementary's approach to the desktop, but I still want to access some power functions without having to go back and undo what the devs have done.

[stiiixy]

Weren't ElemetaryOS the only people using vala?

What's wrong with the GTK stuff? As an end user of Elementary that never looked at or worked with the code, everything was excellent.

I don't want to start a flame war but to me as a developer using GTK based distros and apps feels like investing time in something outdated. Linux for me is all about contributing and creating, and I want to develop using modern, future-proof tools. Not saying that Qt is especially modern compared to the toolkits on Windows and macOS but it still beats GTK in that area.

[Michael_S]

If it weren't for all the GTK stuff, I'd be all over Elementary by now.

What's wrong with the GTK stuff? As an end user of Elementary that never looked at or worked with the code, everything was excellent.

If it weren't for all the GTK stuff, I'd be all over Elementary by now.