Devuan 2.0 Reaches Beta, Debian Without Systemd & Now Based On Stretch

[dungeon]

From Linus' side, Linux is about the kernel's technical merits. From the GNU side, it's about FLOSS.

Actually not true, since both are technical and both are political, i see no difference as someone choice is always somewhere in between.

Whatever project you might or not like, in this case people does not like systemd pushover, they don't actually hate systemd but feel that there should be space for other init systems and that is OK to me

[zdzichu]

I'm really suprised they managed to somehow reach 2.0 of their Debian repack (it's not the fork, they use 99% packages directly from Debian). Especially seeing how their mailinglist (https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/list/dng.en.html) is full of conspiracy. Latest fad: rsync is evil.

[moilami]

I'm really suprised they managed to somehow reach 2.0 of their Debian repack (it's not the fork, they use 99% packages directly from Debian). Especially seeing how their mailinglist (https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/list/dng.en.html) is full of conspiracy. Latest fad: rsync is evil.

Ahhahhahhaaa, well that is good news, we are lacking code puritans

[dungeon]

it's not the fork, they use 99% packages directly from Debian.

Not directly, but indirectly. Actually it is is more of a fork than it is derivative.

Latest fad: rsync is evil.

It is not latest, it started with this systemd Local Privilege Escalation

Problem is Mr. Poettering again as he think he is God sent to rewrite anything (now rsync) and that everbody will accept that But they don't like his ideas in the first place

[nanonyme]

You can run Debian testing without systemd running. Install sysv packages and boot the kernel with the init system. From the kernel command line you can choose what ever init system. You can not remove systemd because of the dependencies.

The root problem is it's only a matter of time until sysv init scripts for packages stop being available if this direction is allowed by distro at all. Systemd unit files are far simpler and work more consistently so if it's a matter of choice, maintainers will only ship them

[dungeon]

The root problem is it's only a matter of time until sysv init scripts for packages stop being available if this direction is allowed by distro at all. Systemd unit files are far simpler and work more consistently so if it's a matter of choice, maintainers will only ship them

So it is matter of choice to only ship one so that we could all pretend how that is the best... that is real total BS

[unixfan2001]

So it is matter of choice to only ship one so that we could all pretend how that is the best... that is real total BS

It isn't total BS.
Maintainers decide. Not users. People better freaking learn that!

[dungeon]

It isn't total BS.
Maintainers decide. Not users. People better freaking learn that!

Maintainers can decide but should also follow guidelines, as we are all users. Otherwise they will lose users

And if maintainer is ignorant, pretending that he has freedom to do do whatever he wants then people have exact same freedom to do forks or package things for themselfs the way they like or need - that is how things works

[bitman]

I think we should be thankful for Devuan to exist. It keeps **those** people away and out of sight. Definitely makes life better for everyone else.

[dungeon]

I think we should be thankful for Devuan to exist. It keeps **those** people away and out of sight. Definitely makes life better for everyone else.

Not for everyone as this is not just Devuan, but there is quite a lot of these to ignore

http://without-systemd.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page