Pale Moon Project Rolls Out The Basilisk Browser Project

[mayankleoboy1]

The Palemoon forum is just full of hatred towards the Firefox project. People there just spew hatred and snide remarks. They belittle the very Gecko engine they have forked from

[137ben]

Anyway, back to this announcement, what exactly is this? "UXP" sounds a bit like the old XULRunner initiative... but how is Basilisk any different from PaleMoon? It almost sounds like it is just the equivalent of FF's beta or nightly channel....

The way Moonchild usually describes it, Mozilla used to develop a software platform which was capable of running different applications, and Firefox was the main application. The current version of Pale Moon is based on the same "platform" code base as Firefox, but with the Gecko engine replaced by Pale Moon's own Goanna engine. In the future, the PM developers are hoping to completely break away from Mozilla's code base.

Basilisk, as I understand it, is a test of whether they can make an application run on their new platform base. It will use development versions of some of the infurstructure they've developed for PM, but won't use Goanna. If it works, then they will port the Pale Moon an Goanna to their new UXP platform, and then that will be the new Pale Moon.

[starshipeleven]

Yeah, fuck performance! Who would want performance!?!

There is a vocal minority of people who are on Firefox because of its addons, not raw performance.

I would be very pissed off if NoScript wasn't ported over, for example. (currently is still work-in-progress).

There are also loons and tinfoil hatters too, that see things that are only in their mind too.

[grok]

Yeah, fuck performance! Who would want performance!?!

We shouldn't need that performance, but there's the threat of google pushing out more "web" bloat every time they please..

[Duve]

XUL and XPCOM could be made multithread/multiprocess, just as the core can be. Might take breaking API changes, but it had those anyway. It would be a lot of work, but it is still the most correct answer (the other somewhat less correct answer would be get rid of XUL, but not until you have a full replacement ready, not just WE)

They could but it was be such an architectural shift that what you would end with is something that isn't XUL at all. There are some rather deep systematic things about the process that would need to brake to get it up and running. Even with that it would likely look like a very crude hack attempt to be backwards compatible for the sake of legacy. A legacy that would be broken beyond all recognition.

At that point, you might as well start with a clean slate anyway if only to have the engine make sense again.

Also, people who think FF/gecko are slow are insane.

That was a lot of people, FF57 will likely change quite a few minds on that ticket.

[grok]

They changed the GUI too much, namely the settings and new tab page.
Why allow either 5 sites or 10 sites on new tab? Why can't I choose 4 or 20 or 28? the former behaviour wasn't perfect (delete a square by accident, can't get it back) but could show more if you needed it.
"restore session" GUI hasn't changed, still braindead (show a very long list, five lines at a time)

[Awesomeness]

We shouldn't need that performance, but there's the threat of google pushing out more "web" bloat every time they please..

Yeah, let's push back by promoting crappy performance!

[grok]

It's not what I was saying. Well behaved sites need very little CPU power that's all.

[Warlord-Lestat]

Since Firefox quantum Palemoon project doesn't make any sense anymore. Quantum project is a huge step forward to a better internet experience while XUL is something that belongs to the past.

And you only lose most UI customizatin options. Quantum is nothing good at all. It is a bow-down to Chrome and simple users who have almost zero customization demands.

Quantum is a big spittting in the face of Power users and geeks and nerds who love to fully personalize their browsing experience.
Compared to Quantum even a closed source project like Vivaldi offers more honesty and respect towards their users as Mozilla is offering them today. Mozilla is also spitting into the face of add-on developers and theme developers and their own old long gone Mozilla developers who have been thinking that empowering the user with functions and features is more of use than to restrict them and call that then "freedom" and "more feature rich" - which is a blatant lie!

I personally have switched to Otter-Browser. As the developer of that browser shows also more respect to geeks and nerds today than Mozilla.

Mozilla are sell-outs. The worst!

[Warlord-Lestat]

Since Firefox quantum Palemoon project doesn't make any sense anymore. Quantum project is a huge step forward to a better internet experience while XUL is something that belongs to the past.

Mozilla are sell-outs. Quantum is a full bow-down to simple and Chrome users and Mozilla showed their dislike of add-on and theme developers, also they showed zero respect of long gone Ex Mozilla developers who had believed that empowering the user with features and functions is better than restricting them and call that a day.

I rather would use something like Vivaldi where the developers have more respect of their user base of geeks and nerds - or something like Otter-Browser - which i am actually using today.

Quantum is just a bowing down to the most lowest common denominator - and Mozilla who believed in quality instead of quantity has dumped their previous mindset and sacrificed all to be like Chrome.

No thanks, i have no respect for sell-outs!