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  • #31
    An interesting exercise to compare bloatness is to start with a docker image of each distro and install the same set of packages.

    Some distros have surprising dependencies between packages, that when chained together, makes no sense at all! I've done this, not for desktop environments, but for boring stuff (like web servers and compiler toolchains). IIRC, Fedora 20 went down the rabbit hole of dragging in a whole bunch of X stuff as an (indirect) dependency of nginx.
    Last edited by andreano; 10 September 2017, 06:14 AM.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by GhostOfFunkS View Post
      They really should consider to deduplicate the kde stack and just pick whatever works from the GNOME stack. They can still deliver a kde experience and leave millions and millions of bad LOC on the heap.
      Nope, the KDE developers are fine with how KDE is. YOU should, since you are claiming it is possible you now should come up with a proof of concept to back up your claims.
      Oh, wait, I forgot that you never contribute anything but stupid comments on Phoronix.

      NIH is what keeps this circus freak show on air. And it ain't pretty.
      NIH can't be claimed for the project that existed first, idiot, it can only be claimed for the projects that came afterwards.

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      • #33
        It's because of the way Fedora builds its binaries. Many, many configure flags simply should not be set, but Fedora has a policy of building every configure flag. Whether it was intended to be used that way or not. Fedora totally lacks all concepts of anything that resembles a use flag. Each package has to be individually preconfigured, but they usually don't bother and just build everything.

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        • #34
          Gnome isn't even that bad but it's honestly pretty hilarious there are fanboys claiming it is more customizable than KDE, though to move the clock from the center to the right you will at least need an extension (consider yourself lucky if its control panel a. translated to your language, b. compatible with the shell version you use, c. actually works as expected and d. is still compatible with the version of the DE you use).
          Edit: I actually just checked and you really need an extension... lol.

          Heck even debianxfce probably has a good laugh reading that.
          Last edited by AsuMagic; 10 September 2017, 09:01 AM.

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          • #35
            GhostOfFunkS

            Quote from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll , fits you well - you do more damage to the respectable Gnome community but it takes a smart person to realise where they are going wrong. Give it up. Psychological characteristics

            Researcher Ben Radford wrote about the phenomenon of clowns in history and modern day in his book Bad Clowns and found that bad clowns have evolved into Internet trolls. They do not dress up as traditional clowns but, for their own amusement, they tease and exploit "human foibles" in order to speak the "truth" and gain a reaction. Like clowns in make-up, Internet trolls hide behind "anonymous accounts and fake usernames." In their eyes they are the trickster and are performing for a nameless audience via the Internet.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by GhostOfFunkS View Post
              Yeah. That's another good reason to deduplicate the stacks. There is no way the current QA effort can manage these kind of problems.
              If you think stack deduplication is so great, would you do us a favor and move your posting to KDE and Gnome forums where it will get the attention it needs? TIA.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by starshipeleven View Post
                Web developers need Firefox, Chrome/ium and Edge/IE.
                This is why so many websites work correctly only with those three browsers.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by AsuMagic View Post
                  Gnome isn't even that bad but it's honestly pretty hilarious there are fanboys claiming it is more customizable than KDE, though to move the clock from the center to the right you will at least need an extension (consider yourself lucky if its control panel a. translated to your language, b. compatible with the shell version you use, c. actually works as expected and d. is still compatible with the version of the DE you use).
                  Edit: I actually just checked and you really need an extension... lol.

                  Heck even debianxfce probably has a good laugh reading that.
                  At least in one point of yours everyone who knows english could do something about it, translating what's not translated. In past i would add "easy" to such task, but it's everything but easy..., english is simple and efficient language, immagine someone who needs to translate new term on, I don't know, some language that have 12+cases and gendered words (like some baltic languages, I think estonian have 12 cases or something, or finish), now that's nightmare, often, I find it easier to "invent the term" on english than on native language, especially words that combine two terms into one. So if you see something untranslated, do it yourself, and if you come up with something you can't translate, leave it blank and there might be someone else who could do it better.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by GhostOfFunkS View Post
                    So how is it justified to keep two stacks when there is only the need for one? What we got today is a test case explosion that hurt both stacks.
                    Maybe. But who are you to decide which of the stacks should be abandoned, especially as a person not contributing to any of those stacks?

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                    • #40
                      Bizarre how a post about KDE defaults gets spun into a discussion about GNOME.

                      In any event the original post missed the point of defaults.... which is to provide as complete environment as possible out of the box. Since this is a KDE spin, we should be providing as complete of a KDE environment as possible. Users shouldn't be required to go on a treasure hunt to seek out available KDE applications. If you don't want to use a KDE default you can easily either go into settings and change the defaults or simply remove the packages you don't want. It's not that hard. The bottom line for every person who doesn't want package A, B, C - there will be someone who does.

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