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  • #11
    Reminds me of the failure I had on steam when Worms didn't work not due to a missing lib but because dbus interface changed.

    Even packing everything along won't work on linux, too many runtime changes.

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    • #12
      Originally posted by libv View Post
      Endless are the guys who trashed me for not sacrificing more for lima, while they themselves never would even try to support it, and were very busy with asking for support with the binary blob driver.
      I was there and on the other side of this (for Endless) at the time though to be fair I wasn't in direct contact with you afair. We wanted to use Lima and be direct contributors to it but as an early startup we had a very limited time-to-market window and the progress on the drivers was too far behind for us so there might have been a level of urgency that we needed for us to use it with confidence but features didn't materialize quickly enough which is why we opted for the proprietary drivers instead. While I understand your point of view, saying that we never tried to support it is disingenuous imo since we wouldn't have spent time looking into it at all otherwise and just got the DDK license for the hardware.

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      • #13
        Originally posted by sgnn7 View Post
        we opted for the proprietary drivers instead
        what is stopping you from nevertheless employing one driver dev, like vc4 or freedreno?

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        • #14
          Originally posted by sgnn7 View Post
          While I understand your point of view, saying that we never tried to support it is disingenuous imo since we wouldn't have spent time looking into it at all otherwise and just got the DDK license for the hardware.
          That's not how your colleague made it sound about two years ago: http://libv.livejournal.com/27461.html After reading through his statements, my supposedly disingenuous "claim" suddenly rings quite true.

          What I do believe is that you probably did not know about what Jasper pulled, as otherwise you would not have responded as you just did.

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          • #15
            Originally posted by pal666 View Post
            what is stopping you from nevertheless employing one driver dev, like vc4 or freedreno?
            that the blobs worked fine for them, I assume.

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            • #16
              @ikey_solus

              What happened to the similar initiative from Solus?

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              • #17
                *wanders in*
                *finds tons of bitterness and salt that has nothing to do with Steam inside a flatpak*
                *wanders out*

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                • #18
                  Are there any links to the OSTree repo for this? Or the Flatpak build manifests?

                  Would love to see how it's packaged.

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                  • #19
                    Originally posted by starshipeleven View Post
                    that the blobs worked fine for them, I assume.
                    Indeed. The closed-source drivers have their issues but with the Mali DDK, we were both able to get running and fix any issues we found rather quickly. It's nowhere near the freedom you could get with OSS drivers but from a business perspective you need to be pragmatic or you fail quick. Was it the right decision?Personally, I would say absolutely yes since we're still around and have done order-of-magnitude more contributions to free software so in my mind it was a net-positive decision even if it meant depending on closed-source for that piece of the puzzle.
                    Last edited by sgnn7; 05-19-2017, 08:23 PM.

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                    • #20
                      It is about time when non system critical software will be moved to user level, everything forced to install system level has potential to bloat and trash up system. Linux must adapt portable and user level installs more and more.

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