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  • #11
    I can't believe I brought up a topic about Windows 10--similar to opening a can of worms. Isn't using Windows 10 for free committing piracy if I do not activate?

    And how can I not be a "product?" Don't use Windows at all? What if I need to use Windows? What if I buy a license to use Windows, but don't want to tie the license to a motherboard that I will no longer use in the future?

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    • #12
      Originally posted by GraysonPeddie View Post
      I can't believe I brought up a topic about Windows 10--similar to opening a can of worms. Isn't using Windows 10 for free committing piracy if I do not activate?
      don't believe anything that debianxfce says. He might be right, but he is usually so fucking wrong that it's not even worth spending the time to check what he says.

      And how can I not be a "product?" Don't use Windows at all? What if I need to use Windows?
      Windows turns you into a product if you use Cortana and all the integrated services that send over usage data to MS. If your main PC is not windows, you are not a product.

      What if I buy a license to use Windows, but don't want to tie the license to a motherboard that I will no longer use in the future?
      No. No. No. You are doing it wrong.
      You should go on Ebay and buy an OEM license for like 10$. If you change PC you buy another 10$ OEM license. Unless you like to change PC twice a year, this ends far cheaper than a true retail license.

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      • #13
        Originally posted by debianxfce View Post
        Win10 is free, you do not have register it and it works. Disbale update service so there will not came any updates that stops using it free.
        Please don't post this retarded bullshit, running any OS with updates disabled is a MONUMENTAL GARGANTUAN HUGE stupid idea. Even more so on Windows that is the main malware target.

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        • #14
          My attempt at running TW3 :

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPiQZif2jQw

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          • #15

            for the embed (thanks lack of edit button)

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            • #16
              Originally posted by starshipeleven View Post
              Windows turns you into a product if you use Cortana and all the integrated services that send over usage data to MS. If your main PC is not windows, you are not a product.
              Precision of language for "you are a product." What do you mean that Windows turns me into a product? Not that I would care for Microsoft services.

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              • #17
                Originally posted by GraysonPeddie View Post

                What do you mean that Windows turns me into a product? Not that I would care for Microsoft services.
                He's paraphrasing a recent saying: "If you're getting something valuable for free, then you are the product." Facebook is a good example. They seemingly allow you to sign up to this valuable social networking service and they don't change you anything. This is because 'social networking services' is not their actual product (i.e. the thing that makes them money): their actual product is all of your private data that they sell to advertisers (and your eyeballs too, I guess). In other words, you are Facebook's product.

                Same story with Windows 10. Even if you tick every possible "don't spy on me" box, it still sends data back to Microsoft. Literally the only way stop it is to block IP ranges/hosts further upstream. So, like facebook, Microsoft aren't offerring free upgrades and free Win10 ISOs out of the goodness of their hearts. This is just how they make more product (i.e. you).

                Google operate on the same model too. Microsoft are actually pretty late to this 'multi-sided market' party; but they're just trying extra hard to make up for lost time.

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                • #18
                  Originally posted by GraysonPeddie View Post
                  Precision of language for "you are a product." What do you mean that Windows turns me into a product? Not that I would care for Microsoft services.
                  That all data they take from people through their telemetry is used to make money through (anonymous) statistics they either use or sell, to send you more targeted ads (which is better than just spamming bullshit), or to train their specialist AI programs they intend to monetize eventually. It's not just bug reports and similar.

                  The handwritten text recognition and Cortana for example are specialistic AI software whose job is to understand what people is writing/saying (that's the hard part), so that machines can react properly. These programs live in expensive server farms and/or are babysitted by expensive software developer teams. They are currently "free" for the end user as they are in their infancy and MS needs large amounts of interaction to train them, but don't think MS is doing it just because they want to sell more Windows OS licenses.

                  When these programs are mature enough, they can sell their services/software to replace people working as secretaries or cashiers for example or whatever other job where someone is in front of a PC and talks to people to insert/retrieve data from it.

                  Note that Google/Apple do the same. The services they bundle now with their current OS to make it more attractive are actually investments for the future.

                  Anyway, this isn't necessarily bad, as they are offering a service to you and are asking for a different kind of payment for it (they offer a product for a product). I mean it's not plain spamming ads everywhere.

                  But if you want to boycott MS, this is something to keep in mind. For example most people cracking windows are still using Cortana or other services, and that's the reason MS didn't really bother to make a half-decent antipiracy measure to detect cracked windows when upgrading (so you could upgrade a cracked win7/8 to a GENUINE Win10, I've also done this and also called them up on the phone, confirmed genuine win10).
                  They are trying to monetize on something else than the simple OS, google-style.

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