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  • #21
    Originally posted by starshipeleven View Post
    Gentoo isn't for those that run with distro-approved default options.
    The Hardened Gentoo project called. They want their secure, stable packages back.

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    • #22
      Originally posted by fuzz View Post
      The Hardened Gentoo project called. They want their secure, stable packages back.
      Hardened Gentoo project is for making a very very secure Gentoo. Not the same as high stability, not the same as running with distro-approved defaults.

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      • #23
        Originally posted by starshipeleven View Post
        Hardened Gentoo project is for making a very very secure Gentoo. Not the same as high stability, not the same as running with distro-approved defaults.
        Security in this case provides stability and approved defaults. Nice contradiction .

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        • #24
          Originally posted by fuzz View Post
          Security in this case provides access to Selinux, PaX, grsecurity-patched kernel and toolchain, PIE and SSP, and approved defaults for them. Nice trolling .
          fixed.

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          • #25
            Originally posted by starshipeleven View Post
            C'mon, quit bunching together the weird-ass Java-first mobile OS and the glorified mobile web kiosk OS to Linux Desktop just because they share the kernel.

            What is killing microsoft is basically Moore's law (or the lack thereof), none in his right mind upgrades an office license in the same way none upgrades an OS on a company PC unless forced at gunpoint.

            Since PCs can now last indefinitely, they are fucked.
            I'm sorry to have to inform you of this junior....but you are a complete idiot. And someone who has never worked in a major corporation. Particularly in America.

            Microsoft HAS always used the gun.....the gun of EOL ( end of life if you didn't know ) and the end of security updates and corporate support.

            They also use the gun of incompatibility in Office doc formats so as Company X who still runs Office 2003 can't get their docs read when they send them over to Company Y who now has Office 2016 or 365.

            They use EOL as well for the Windows Server line. Can't have those nasty hackers getting into your servers now can we? Upgrade to Server 20xx for the latest patches.

            You want to play Direct X 12 games.....SO SORRY....you have to upgrade to Windows 10.

            NOW.....Microsoft with Windows 10 Anniversary MS is introducing their latest money thieving licensing scheme......Windows as a Service (WaaS). That's right folks.....Windows 10 is the LAST Windows with a number because with Windows as a Service it becomes a rolling release. Of course, if you are an enterprise company you can't even upgrade to Windows 10 unless you sign up for Microsoft's "Software Assurance" for the... **ahem** ...nominal fee of course. Also if you want to play Direct X 13 games in the future you had better get Windows 10 now and keep it on your computer for the eventual rolling release.

            All of this is simply programming the Windows sheeple into buying into the eventual Subscription model which in turn is going to dovetail into when Microsoft tries to pull a Chrome OS out of their Windows hat and make thin client Surface laptops which runs Windows on Azure as a Service (WoAaaS)......for the **ahem**....nominal subscription fee.

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            • #26
              Originally posted by Jumbotron View Post
              someone who has never worked in a major corporation. Particularly in America.
              FYI, US market is big, but the rest of the world is (much) bigger. In EU things are a bit different for example. But I'm pretty sure you can find plenty of articles about companies in the US sticking to XP (and getting hacked).

              Microsoft HAS always used the gun.....the gun of EOL ( end of life if you didn't know ) and the end of security updates and corporate support.
              This has never deterred anyone here. I'm seeing (and doing mainteneance on) shitloads of PCs on XP in offices.

              They also use the gun of incompatibility in Office doc formats so as Company X who still runs Office 2003 can't get their docs read when they send them over to Company Y who now has Office 2016 or 365.
              O2003 cannot read docx, not the other way around.
              That's why the most used file format is still *.doc here.

              Still, Office manages to be incompatible even with the same version of Office depending on updates, so yeah, having to wiggle and send around emails to receive a file you can read isn't so uncommon.

              They use EOL as well for the Windows Server line. Can't have those nasty hackers getting into your servers now can we? Upgrade to Server 20xx for the latest patches.
              You're assuming someone gives a shit, which is not a given.

              Most servers run custom programs, if the program they run does not run on new operating systems you cannot upgrade anyway.

              This usually isn't a major issue as they are backend servers, so they don't talk directly with anything outside a secure local network (or VPN) perimeter.

              Most "servers of the line" (web servers, the ones that get attacked) are so easy to put on cloud providers that most already did out of cost alone.

              You want to play Direct X 12 games.....SO SORRY....you have to upgrade to Windows 10.
              PC Gamers are a minority of the total PC userbase, and in 99% of the situations they build their PC themselves, which means the OS is not usually genuine.

              99.99999% of Windows licenses from consumer market come from OEM licenses (preinstalled windows), and if new hardware isn't sold (what is happening, btw), no new licenses are sold either.
              There is a reason they offered Win10 upgrade for free for a year to Win8 AND Win7 users, something they NEVER EVER EVER did.
              It's a desperate move to jump-start the Win10 ecosystem (that failed, anyway as 50% of windows PCs are still on Win7)

              NOW.....Microsoft with Windows 10 Anniversary MS is introducing their latest money thieving licensing scheme......Windows as a Service (WaaS).
              Too good to be true, they finally adopted a sane paying scheme where you only pay if you use it?
              Aaand... https://blogs.windows.com/windowsexp...ersary-update/
              No! You're just talking out of your ass!

              That's right folks.....Windows 10 is the LAST Windows with a number because with Windows as a Service it becomes a rolling release.
              1. that is a myth created by a reporter wildly misreporting something said by a Windows developer
              2. MS's lifecycle factsheet says it will follow the same support schemes followed by other Windows to date https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/...cle-fact-sheet

              All of this is simply programming the Windows sheeple into buying into the eventual Subscription model
              Let's start with the little known fact that Windows development costs have to be covered somehow as this is a commercial product whose only goal is making $$$, so you are going to pay for windows in any case.

              Subscription model is the best for a product like a modern OS, as MS has to keep it patched and updated and it's not trivial given its huge attack surface, and is also best for people that finally can pay only for the shit they actually use, and also for the people again as it's going to be VERY cheap while still netting MS orders of magnitude more $$ than its current prehistoric and retarded 10-years-long high-priced-licenses system.

              Red Hat and Suse follow the subscription model, for example, and they do EOL their software too every now and then. That's because to the contrary of Ubuntu they are making a profit off their distros, not wasting money (*cough*coming from Microsoft*cough*)

              But don't worry, their antipiracy measures will still suck ass as always so if you want an OS without a subscription you can always crack it.
              Last edited by starshipeleven; 05 August 2016, 06:24 AM.

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              • #27
                Originally posted by starshipeleven View Post
                fixed.
                You are too easy.

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                • #28
                  Originally posted by Jumbotron View Post
                  You should also know that LibreOffice is going to release a cloud based version ( Microsoft 365 like ) of LibreOffice late this year or early next. Which only will accelerate LibreOffice's acceptance by most non American governments and institutions
                  It won't be production ready any time soon. Even LibreOffice 5.2 is horribly buggy. It's relatively crash prone, but ok, admittedly so is Microsoft Office. I prefer RSTudio/Qtiplot/Gnumeric, LaTeX, and LaTeX Beamer for calc/writer/impress style stuff. Not as user friendly but at least doesn't crash.

                  And if you think the state of Desktop Linux including productivity software is such crap.....well....jump right in mister and fix things. The source code is yours to play with. Or at the very least...use it and submit bug reports and usability suggestions.
                  My issue with LibreOffice is, the code base is huge and huge code base means tons of potential bugs. I still find smaller alternatives like Gnumeric and Abiword a better starting point. I'm not interested at all in debugging LibreOffice code, sorry.

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