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FreeType 2.7 Bringing DirectWrite/ClearType-Like Rendering -- Much Better Looking Fonts On Linux
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All of us going on about what we like and don't like is pointless. We all have different eyes, different hardware, different lighting, some of us create and use color profiles, most don't, etc., etc.
You can't configure font rendering in any single way to look best for everyone in all conditions. (My fonts look worse at the end of the day than at the beginning. Bet yours do, too.)
Would not hurt, though, to have a good GUI tool so we could manipulate the options in freetype/fontconfig and see the results in real time.
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Have they accepted the patches that Ubuntu has been using for like the past 10 years yet? Or is this another half-assed attempt to duplicate the work of the patches? I don't understand why they don't accept those patches. They supposedly made a "huge improvement" to the subpixel rendering a few years ago IIRC but it still didn't even come close to how nice fonts look with the subpixel rendering patches. Say what you want about Ubuntu but their font setup is the absolute best and it's something I sorely miss when trying other distros. Probably one of the main reasons I'll never switch distros. Pretty much ever other distro's fonts look worse than non-aliased Windows XP.
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There are, I think, at least three different font rendering engines shipping with Win10, which is part of its problem.
dafuq? Fonts look awful on Windows, why would we want to bring that to Linux?
Better than, worse than, or equal to Infinality?
It seems I'll be sticking with version 2.6.5 for some time.
Ubuntu has specific patches to various libraries, I never managed to get the same look on Arch Linux and its derivatives without installing Ubuntu patched libraries, I don't know if they are still around in the repositories. Infinality was decent but not completely on par with Ubuntu.Say what you want about Ubuntu but their font setup is the absolute best and it's something I sorely miss when trying other distros.Canonical has invested some seriously manpower in getting a professional looking rendering system and a simple tweak doesn't give you their results.
You can't configure font rendering in any single way to look best for everyone in all conditions. (My fonts look worse at the end of the day than at the beginning. Bet yours do, too.)
Have they accepted the patches that Ubuntu has been using for like the past 10 years yet?
The whole thing isn't really that new at all! FreeType's "light" autohinting already does something very similar: it only hints in one direction, vertically. Whether you use bytecode hinting or autohinting at this point typically doesn't make much of a difference anymore.So v40 is just slight hinting. But forced?
Slight hinting is vertical only hinting, which is exactly what they claim the new algorithm is. This really leaves me to wonder if there will be any difference between slight, medium and full hinting now.
The *actual* problem with FreeType has been something completely different: LCD filtering and gamma correction. The LCD filter makes sure that color fringes are avoided while still providing a mostly sharp text image. Gamma correction is needed to basically adjust the boldness, particularly to avoid too thin strokes. Both have patent issues and therefore have bad fallback implementations in many distributions by default, e.g. Fedora.Last edited by mudig; 17 July 2016, 06:45 PM.
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Originally posted by slacka View Post
Yes, opening FontConfig is easy. But it's not like there is a single magic setting that gives you Ubuntu like rendering. And whatever tweaks/configure options Ubuntu uses, it's not just the latest version of FreeType either as I have never been able to get Arch to look as nice as Ubuntu has looked for years now.
Canonical has invested some seriously manpower in getting a professional looking rendering system and a simple tweak doesn't give you their results.
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Originally posted by mudig View PostGetting the Ubuntu look involves compiling in subpixel rendering and globally selecting slight hinting (and maybe setting lcddefault as the LCD filter if you haven't done that). Done. They really didn't invest much here
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Hello, the subject interests me a little... I did a small comparison between FreeType vanilla-master/pre-2.7 (red frame) and FreeType 2.6.3-ubuntu (green frame) on Arch Linux.
You can see the comparison here : http://imgur.com/zwwY9O4
The difference is subtle, but Ubuntu's font rendering is still, indeed, superior (look closely at the 'M' in particular).Last edited by kilbith; 17 July 2016, 08:47 PM.
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