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  • duby229
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    Originally posted by jrch2k8 View Post
    well after all this non sense zerg of troll posts, there are 2 facts that could need revision:

    1.) Yes, is always the distro simply because no regular user have the expertise to build the entire KDE system(or gnome for that matter) on its own, so is OBVIOUSLY work of the distro to provide those packages and since they normally know better is LOGICAL to assume they actually read any upstream warnings. Also note is not weird for some distros to actually break userspace(like using certain ffmpeg version against upstream best warnings). Beside todays is easy to add information to sessions and packages, so a simply (Experimental) suffix in the plasma session is nothing that requires a Phd to do, so there is no justification for this too happen outside bleeding distros like Arch or Gentoo(in those is your own fault)

    2.) Evidence suggest some distro packagers are unable to read warnings, so maybe a more obvious versioning system should be help KDE avoid unstable code to land in "stable" distros(Gnome idea of pair version for releases and odd for development seems obvious enough to do the trick)
    About 2): The problem with even numbers for stable and odd numbers for testing is that odd number are often used to break things. Then when it eventually gets released as an even number it's still broken. That's why the linux kernel stopped doing that junk. All you end up with is a bunch of broken odd numbers followed by a bunch broken even numbers where none of them are compatible.

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  • jrch2k8
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    well after all this non sense zerg of troll posts, there are 2 facts that could need revision:

    1.) Yes, is always the distro simply because no regular user have the expertise to build the entire KDE system(or gnome for that matter) on its own, so is OBVIOUSLY work of the distro to provide those packages and since they normally know better is LOGICAL to assume they actually read any upstream warnings. Also note is not weird for some distros to actually break userspace(like using certain ffmpeg version against upstream best warnings). Beside todays is easy to add information to sessions and packages, so a simply (Experimental) suffix in the plasma session is nothing that requires a Phd to do, so there is no justification for this too happen outside bleeding distros like Arch or Gentoo(in those is your own fault)

    2.) Evidence suggest some distro packagers are unable to read warnings, so maybe a more obvious versioning system should be help KDE avoid unstable code to land in "stable" distros(Gnome idea of pair version for releases and odd for development seems obvious enough to do the trick)

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  • boffo
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    Originally posted by smitty3268 View Post
    I know that one has already been fixed.


    That one's a little hard to believe - how did you find the other bugs if it always crashes right when you start it?
    Because it auto restart the libraries and then it works.

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  • rtfazeberdee
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    Originally posted by Jumbotron View Post

    Didn't fool me a bit. Just calling out KDE's bullshit policy of releasing BETA and even ALPHA software and not making it plain to the common user out their looking to move from the Windows or Mac world. And not holding distros to account that include their beta or alpha software without verbiage that makes it plain that this version of a distro is likely DANGEROUS and will almost certainly break your system if you install it on a production machine.

    Or better yet....just have a private alpha and beta release.

    Let Microsoft be the only ones who let their user base be the REAL beta testers. Like they did with the release of Windows Vista. That's how we got Windows 7. We got Windows 7 only after 10's of millions of Windows users unwittingly became Windows Vista beta testers for a couple of years.

    That's why I consider KDE 5 as the Windows Vista of Linux.

    then you are back to blaming the distros for having it on the install screen, not the KDE team who put out plenty of warnings to the community which, unless i'm mistaken, includes the distros. And please forgive me for not taking any notice of your opinion of KDE5 seriously as its shit

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  • Jumbotron
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    Spoken like true Phreaks and Geeks. You little boys and your command line..... like that's "modern". LOL. As I said before, I punch card programmed Vax Mainframes in the late 70's early 80's. So you can pat yourself on your little Linux Elite backs all you want and call me a Windows user all you want. Which I was....also on the Mac. Now on Linux exclusively at home and mixed OS (Windows, Mac and Linux) at work. I know my way around command line on all three.

    But Linux will never become mainstream....or even CLOSE to being as mainstream as Windows or Mac because you little "NOUVEAU GEEK" script kiddies think that command line is "modern".

    Well....it will, now that I think about it. It's just going to be known as Android. Particularly once Google folds more of Chrome OS into Android over the next couple of three years.

    And then all you little wankers will STILL be bitching about why Linux has no support from hardware makers....why Linux STILL has no games or the number of well supported games like Windows or even the Mac.....why there are NO VIABLE Linux phones or a Linux phone app ecosystem the likes of iOS or Android.

    But....hey....that keeps your little Linux Geek Elitist stature intact. You like being the outsiders.....the 1% <chuckle....see what I did there, to use an already cliched hipster phrase?)

    Oh....and DOO DOO....sorry....duby.....package management or an universal Linux installer is the way of the future. Snappy is a good first start. Not that I agree with everything about Ubuntu ( which is why I use Linux Mint's version of Ubuntu since Unity is a bit of a trainwreck ). But at least they are trying to make Linux into a first rate CONSUMER Linux distro the likes of Windows or the Mac.

    Once again....even if they don't....in the near future....people will only know the REAL Linux, you know....the one with a Universal Installer for apps and is easy to use with no "command line modernism <snicker> by the name of Android or Chrome OS.....or when they fuse the two. Perhaps ChromeDroid.

    That's not what I HOPE......but because of you and thousands more like you with your snotty little Linux Geek "command line modernism" attitude, you will see that come to pass. And you will still be the little irrelevant 1%

    And that is a damn shame for all the ones I'm trying to convince to come home to Linux.

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  • duby229
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    Originally posted by Luke_Wolf View Post

    Yep... exactly... although based on his posts my sense is that the guy hasn't ever actually even used linux in the modern sense, if ever. That he's a windows user who watched Pirates of Silicon Valley and is now trolling around in OSS space for reasons...
    Well, we all know what the benefits of package management are.

    New systems like snappy and what not are going to bloat the hell out of their distro's and then the rest us will finally ultimately be proven right.

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  • Luke_Wolf
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    Originally posted by duby229 View Post

    As soon as you said linux installer, that was that. You are free to have your opinions of course, but you're wrong.
    Yep... exactly... although based on his posts my sense is that the guy hasn't ever actually even used linux in the modern sense, if ever. That he's a windows user who watched Pirates of Silicon Valley and is now trolling around in OSS space for reasons...

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  • duby229
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    Originally posted by Jumbotron View Post

    To make your life hell. : )

    Son, I've been at it in the computing world since punch card programming Fortran on Vax Mainframes. I've paid my dues. I'm an old school DIY hacker and geek, so I've got nothing against the culture I was a part of in the 70's and 80's. However, I didn't make Phreak and Geek culture and thinking into a "totem". That is to say....I'd always try to keep the common man thinking close to heart when it came to either explaining Phreak and Geek things to the common user OR when it came to helping them use my software.

    The problem with you Phreaks and Geeks is that you LIKE Linux being marginalized to 1% market share compared to Windows and the Mac. It ENHANCES your Phreak and Geek street cred. It gives you a way to be different. But more than that it ENHANCES your eliteness. Too many of Linux Phreaks and Geeks LIKE to be considered ELITE. "OOOOooo.....we know CODE....you DON'T. "GUI's......pfft.....learn Command Line like the rest of us." "Sudo this....Bash that.....script, script, script."

    The thing about technology that most of you Linux Phreaks and Geeks don't get is that it that technology DID NOT REALLY change the world at any given point in time when that new technology was introduced ( insert any historical tech here ) until that technology left the hallowed halls of the technician and was made EASILY DISTRIBUTED, EASILY UNDERSTOOD, and EASILY OPERATED AND MAINTAINED by the common man.

    What most of you Linux Phreaks and Geeks don't get is that being OPEN IS NOT ENOUGH ! Being FREE IS NOT ENOUGH ! You guys can write a million lines of really brilliant code and can't even write a decent installer. Where is the Linux version of a Wizard ? We should be able to download ANY program for Linux and install it SIMPLY and CLEANLY on ANY Linux distribution. But NOOOOOooooo......we have to have the FREEDOM and the OPENNESS to package it as an RPM or DEB or a SNAPPY or EBUILD or TGZ, etc, etc.

    Then.....we have the OPENNESS and the FREEDOM to pick what framework we want with a MYRIAD of widget design schemes in order to DESTROY any kind of cohesive look and feel to our programs....( GNOME....KDE.....UBUNTU.....MATE.....CINNAMON..... ENLIGHTENMENT......etc...etc...). What if I like a certain KDE program above an equivalent GNOME program. GREAT....and here is your BUTT LOAD OF KDE LIBRARIES and DEPENDENCIES along with it. And on top of that the KDE program is going to look like SHIT compared to the rest of your GNOME programs. And this goes the opposite way also for adding GNOME programs to KDE environments.

    I'm not saying kill openness and freedom. Not at all...like I or anyone could anyway. But a LOT more people in the Linux world need to understand that openness and freedom can also breed confusion and complexity. AND THAT is what kills Linux's uptake with the general computing population.

    So Luke.....tell me....other than attacking me like a little 15 year kid in his mother's basement hacking out code because you don't have any social skills to make it in the real world....what precisely do you do that is of any use in the world of OSS ?


    As soon as you said linux installer, that was that. You are free to have your opinions of course, but you're wrong.

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  • CrystalGamma
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    Originally posted by Kemosabe View Post

    Well, as i said PULSE_SERVER is stored in the X11 root window. All your pulseaudio apps do use it. You never set any global PULSE_AUDIO environment variable anywhere. The very obvious question is now: How is this handled in wayland since there is no X11 root window anymore.

    Does this make more sense to you?

    If not, i do a third formulation: How would you port for example pavucontrol to wayland which depends on X11 for said reasons?
    I've used GNOME3 on Wayland for a while, and playing audio worked ... I don't remember using pavucontrol, but if something obvious like that was missing I think I'd have noticed.
    The most annoying thing on Wayland for now is problems with Drag'n'Drop / Copy-Paste between Xwayland and Wayland windows.

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  • Jumbotron
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    Originally posted by rtfazeberdee View Post


    if you couldn't work that out for yourself, more fool you.
    Didn't fool me a bit. Just calling out KDE's bullshit policy of releasing BETA and even ALPHA software and not making it plain to the common user out their looking to move from the Windows or Mac world. And not holding distros to account that include their beta or alpha software without verbiage that makes it plain that this version of a distro is likely DANGEROUS and will almost certainly break your system if you install it on a production machine.

    Or better yet....just have a private alpha and beta release.

    Let Microsoft be the only ones who let their user base be the REAL beta testers. Like they did with the release of Windows Vista. That's how we got Windows 7. We got Windows 7 only after 10's of millions of Windows users unwittingly became Windows Vista beta testers for a couple of years.

    That's why I consider KDE 5 as the Windows Vista of Linux.
    Last edited by Jumbotron; 07 November 2015, 01:37 PM.

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