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  • jeffro-tull
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    Neither of the big desktop environments come out of the box just the way I like them. The thing is, with Gnome, it seems I have to fight tooth and nail to get it where I want it - With KDE (3.* and 4.*, >=4.0.3) it's just a few simple clicks away.

    I'm excited. I was playing with /trunk up until beta 2, but a hard drive failure and laziness kept me from going further. I liked what I saw, and, at least for me, KDE4 is finally ready for prime time. I can't wait to leave Konqueror 3 behind me (it's been good to me, but it's edges are rough and there's no hiding them). Think I'll start compiling tomorrow.

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  • RealNC
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    There are plenty of users who also claim that Gnome usability sucks. Linus Torvalds is probably the most famous of them (I remember a flame war of sorts where Linus almost outright said "Gnome sucks").

    Usability is subjective. There will always be people that find shortcomings in *any* environment. If I try to think about what I don't like in KDE, the result are shortcomings in things that are not part of it: Thunderbird, Firefox, Compiz.

    As for going political, I like that KDE is based upon something that is fully GPL instead of LGPL. I support the viral nature of the GPL and its mentality. LGPL is a compromise for me.
    Last edited by RealNC; 07-29-2008, 10:36 PM.

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  • stan
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    I have to agree with those who say KDE is lacking in usability. While there are plenty of users who acknowledge that KDE usability sucks, not enough are able to become developers and make the changes themselves. Which is why KDE needs more corporate support.

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  • Vadi
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    I know eh? This is one of the fundamental differences that sets KDE and Gnome design apart. The fact that KDE's top (at least in the press, everywhere) usability person a) never seen of it until recently, and b) likes it upon seeing it also bring some interesting thoughts

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  • RealNC
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    I hate that feature. When I select a theme just to see its description and preview, Gnome applies it immediately. That's just wrong.
    Last edited by RealNC; 07-29-2008, 10:22 PM. Reason: Embarrassing grammar :P

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  • Vadi
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    KDE is great for people who like to tinker a lot of with their system and customize every single aspect.

    It falls down pretty badly when the same people try to apply it to people who *don't* like to tinker with their system, but simply work, play, or do whatever else an os is designed for.

    Then there are those said gnome people who think since they don't tinker with their system much, and they achieve great productivity on their gnome system, think kde people should be using it...

    And it goes in circles like that. Only thing that might break this cycle is that KDE's top usability engineer just finding out about implicit save option and thinking that it "makes a lot of sense and makes the configuration and interaction with options much more natural."

    So you never know what future has in store =)

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  • RealNC
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    I hope this will hit Gentoo's portage soon. Not being able to use Compiz is a drawback, but KDE 4 compositing also provides for an elegant working environment too.

    Hm, KDE vs Gnome again... I feel Gnome is restricting me. There are many places where it tells me "we don't let you customize this and that because we don't want to confuse you". Well, KDE lets me customize this and that without confusing me.

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  • _txf_
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    Originally posted by deanjo View Post
    I wouldn't say suse pushes KDE as it is neutral, Gnome or KDE take your pick
    neither did I , Just said that out of the majors it doesn't push gnome
    i.e the distros that get the most coverage. (If novell had their own way they'd be pushing solely gnome too)

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  • deanjo
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    Originally posted by _txf_ View Post
    I suspect the drop in kde userbase was probably the lack of major development on 3.5. Having said that most major distros pushing gnome (minus suse) probably means that gnome will hsve a larger userbase in general.

    I wouldn't say suse pushes KDE as it is neutral, Gnome or KDE take your pick (or others if you wish as it doesn't default to any). Suse just does a lot more development on KDE then other distro's. Once you get away from the Redhat/Debian(ubuntu) clones you actually have quite a few distros that default to KDE, such as Mepis, Mandriva, PCLinuxOS, Slackware, BlueWhite, Knoppix, Vector, etc etc.

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  • sundown
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    Originally posted by deanjo View Post
    Last year was the first year that gnome lead KDE according to the 2007 linux survey. No doubt that can easily change from year to year, with the release of KDE 4.1 it could change quite quickly.

    http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS8454912761.html
    I dunno, the polls at Linuxquestions are always won by KDE, for instance.

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