KDE 4.1 Beta 2 Released

[phoronix]

Phoronix: KDE 4.1 Beta 2 Released

KDE 4.1.0 is due for release in July and in preparation of this first major update on the KDE4 code-base there was the release of KDE 4.1 Beta 1 last month. With about a month before the final release, the KDE community has today come together and released KDE 4.1 Beta 2...

http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=NjU0NA

[Vadi]

July? Ouch. Their HIG isn't even finished... what are they doing?

[sabriah]

July? Ouch. Their HIG isn't even finished... what are they doing?

Well, if there are no guidelines, they cannot disobey them, therewith giving them more freedom to finish up.

From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_i...ce_guidelines:

HIGs should be taken at face value; their recommendations and advice are meant to help developers create better applications, but developers are naturally free to break them if they think that the guidelines do not fit their application.

So, it is not the end of the world.

[Jade]

When do you think Debian will include KDE 4.0 in "Debian testing"?

Maybe when KDE 5.0 is released?

[Vadi]

Well, if there are no guidelines, they cannot disobey them, therewith giving them more freedom to finish up.

From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_i...ce_guidelines:


So, it is not the end of the world.

Okay, but I don't agree with Wikipedia this time, as that statement is more of the author's personal opinion than a standard.

HIG is a standard. Yes, you can break standards. But it's not okay to do that. And it's not good either.

[d2kx]

When do you think Debian will include KDE 4.0 in "Debian testing"?

Maybe when KDE 5.0 is released?

After the freeze (Debian Lenny release), it will get into Sid, and if it doesn't have bugs, it will go into Testing after 10 days.

[Jade]

Do you know when the freeze (Debian Lenny release) is?

Looks like I found it:

Release schedule
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Though the number of release critical bugs concerns us, we are pleased
by the overall state of lenny. Most big software packages have been
updated to the major version that will be shipped in lenny, so we will
be able to concentrate on polishing in the following months:

Early of June 2008
Freeze of the non-essential toolchain
The "non-essential toolchain" means things like debhelper, cdbs
and a big chunk of other things usually needed to produce binary
packages.

End of June 2008
Freeze of all library packages
This will affect all packages that produce library packages used
by other packaged software. Packages without r-deps won't be
frozen at this point.

Mid of July 2008
Full freeze
Please don't wait with uploads for the last day before the freeze,
thanks.

September 2008
Release lenny!

Please note that we haven't decided yet on the inclusion of KDE4.1 in lenny, but plan to do so in the near future.

How could they even consider not releasing KDE4 with lenny.

This is just more subtle Linux sabotage.

[oblivious_maximus]

Debian is sabotaging Linux? Bonkers.

They have decided not to include KDE4 in Lenny though. The reason basically being KDE 4 in it's current state just isn't stable/mature enough to merit inclusion in a Debian stable release. The operative word there being stable.

However you're perfectly welcome to install the packages in experimental(obviously not recomended if you run Etch), currently they're based on an SVN version that's slightly older than beta2, and they likely won't be updated until at least another milestone release occurs upstream (RC1 by the sound of it, but it's not set in stone or anything, just that developer's estimate).

[d2kx]

How could they even consider not releasing KDE4 with lenny.

This is just more subtle Linux sabotage.

You make my day

Oh, and Debian should rename "stable" to "rockstable". Then people may understand Debian's decisions.

[Jade]

Debian is sabotaging Linux? Bonkers.

Not necessarily Debian,... but individuals in Debian.

It is obvious to anyone with eyes that KDE has always been unnecessarily been delayed.

Debian tries to force GNOME upon you. GNOME is the default.

It is much more difficult to install KDE than GNOME.

Debian consciously hinders KDE uptake.

I have found many packages (when they exist) that are sabotaged and have been for long periods of time.

For example, WINE and KVM.

Wine is usually NOT shipped with Debian. For example the weekly builds 11-12-06 and 21-02-07 of TESTING did not have any Wine packages although the 17-12-07 version now has it.

The same pathetic excuse was used every time. WINE is not stable enough to be in TESTING.

KVM was not in weekly builds 11-12-06 and 21-02-07 of TESTING.

The 17-12-07 version of TESTING had an extremely old version, namely 18. We are now at version 70. And for some reason that I forget, version 18 did NOT work properly.

They have decided not to include KDE4 in Lenny though. The reason basically being KDE 4 in it's current state just isn't stable/mature enough to merit inclusion in a Debian stable release.

They decided not to include KDE 4,... no surprise there. That way they don't have to decide how to make KDE 4 hard to install.