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Originally posted by Yorgos View Postdon't forget also that kvpnc requires special treatment in order to work. if you don't know what you are doing, then you get the nice crash window, without any proper info.
bluetooth and wifi do not work with the network manager, although the drivers work perfectly, and there is no problem when setting everything up in the terminal by hand. the network manager is also a little bit tricky with the openvpn plugin.
Originally posted by Yorgos View Postactually it's the same thing, the new buttons come always with a new DE version, that's what they've been always doing.
I don't know if this is digia's/nokia's/trolltech's way to get the people to fix their bugs and then sell the stable version,of the framework, to the companies.
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Originally posted by carewolf View PostWho, what? Digia?!! I thought this was a KDE story, Digia does not even do any KDE development. Are you that troll who always frequent the Qt stories under different names spouting random nonsense about Qt and Digia?
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Originally posted by TheBlackCat View PostAnd there is precisely the problem. Before the visual group was announced, people were complaining about how KDE was wasting too much time fixing bugs rather than on polishing the UI. Now that they are polishing the UI, people complain that they are not spending enough time fixing bugs. It doesn't matter what approach KDE developers take, someone will criticize them for not focusing on some particular issue.
That, of course, completely misses the fact that the visual design group is made up primarily of non-coders. They wouldn't be fixing bugs if they weren't in the visual design group, they would simply not be participating at all. The whole point of the visual design group is to organize non-coders with design experience.
And your post completely ignores all the effort and changes with frameworks 5 that have gone into finding, detecting, fixing, and preventing bugs. Changing the structure of the libraries was essential to accomplish that.
I've seen only new additions and no bug fixing,
in the 4th version you had dolphin, which was more frustrating than using plain terminal the whole time,
you had reqonk, that except from the pain in the ass to make it work properly with some plugins, it has no reason of existense,
konqueror, which served as everything in the previous versions, got stripped of some features, dolphin was purged as the file manager
they added dragon player and phonon, which is worse than vlc, they kill kaffeine which worked perfectly.
they made everything more complicated with phonon,
and on top of everything, take that nepomuk to test your nerves.(which by the way got a shitload of money from the eu, as funds to be developed).
on the laptop side, they removed the power save/performance modes, because they believe that they can do a proper energy management. seriously...
the list never ends.
after, almost 6 years using linux and windows and the last 3 only linux I am leaning towards the console more and more for everyday tasks like networking,file management, e.t.c.
best thing about kde is the konsole and yakuake, kchmviewer and okular, can't beat those.
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Originally posted by bakgwailo View PostHaven't tried kvpnc before (most VPNs I have been forced to use have their own proprietary client - if I am lucky). However, totally BS on NetworkManager. The kdeplasma-applets-plasma-nm (arch package), which is KDE's GUI, had worked perfectly for me across ~5 laptops and 2 desktops, both AMD and Intel systems. But, I don't think this will really matter to you as you seem to be trololololo.
I thought we were talking about network manager and their intefacing with network cards...
calm your tits,
I am talking about intel wifi card, not an intel cpu.
you cannot claim that something works if it works for you,
I got like a zillion wifi atheros cards and they work fine,
but when it comes to some intel and some bcm the thing hangs.
Originally posted by bakgwailo View PostAgain, really? It isn't the same thing - the frameworks release and plasma (desktop) release are very, very different. KDE 4 is pretty rock solid at this point in time, at 4.13.x. BTW, they haven't changed or shipped new icons ("buttons") since KDE4 has been released. Lastly, KDE has nothing to do with digia and is not a commercial product in any way. Digia has nothing to do with the KDE Frameworks, and KDE Frameworks is not party of QT or their commercial product. So much FUD, so little time *sigh*.
"whoever owns qt" and kde have been evolving side by side,
when a new piece of shit is announced by the "whoever own qt" company,
kde is policing it and pass it as something wonderful.
they do not even wait for things to get stable, they rush it into production.
I am happy that some DEs are not following what a company releases.
I am not using my computers for browsing fb or twitter, I am using them for production, and rock solid is not something that I can call kde, or gnome to be fair.
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Originally posted by Yorgos View Postwhen exactly did they fix the bugs,
Originally posted by Yorgos View Postin the 4th version you had dolphin, which was more frustrating than using plain terminal the whole time,
Originally posted by Yorgos View Postyou had reqonk, that except from the pain in the ass to make it work properly with some plugins, it has no reason of existense,
Originally posted by Yorgos View Postkonqueror, which served as everything in the previous versions, got stripped of some features, dolphin was purged as the file manager
Originally posted by Yorgos View Postthey added dragon player and phonon, which is worse than vlc, they kill kaffeine which worked perfectly.
Kaffeine, again, is a third-party project using KDE libraries, the KDE SC developers have no control whatsoever over it, not to mention the power to "kill" it. It hasn't been getting updates because the sole developer no longer has time for it, it has nothing to do with any decision by any KDE developers.
Originally posted by Yorgos View Postthey made everything more complicated with phonon,
Originally posted by Yorgos View Postwhich by the way got a shitload of money from the eu, as funds to be developed
Originally posted by Yorgos View Poston the laptop side, they removed the power save/performance modes, because they believe that they can do a proper energy management. seriously...
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Originally posted by Yorgos View PostI thought we were talking about network manager and their intefacing with network cards...
calm your tits,
I am talking about intel wifi card, not an intel cpu.
you cannot claim that something works if it works for you,
I got like a zillion wifi atheros cards and they work fine,
but when it comes to some intel and some bcm the thing hangs.
Originally posted by Yorgos View Postwhen a new piece of shit is announced by the "whoever own qt" company,
kde is policing it and pass it as something wonderful.
they do not even wait for things to get stable, they rush it into production.
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Originally posted by Yorgos View Postboth amd and intel systems?
I thought we were talking about network manager and their intefacing with network cards...
calm your tits,
I am talking about intel wifi card, not an intel cpu.
you cannot claim that something works if it works for you,
I got like a zillion wifi atheros cards and they work fine,
but when it comes to some intel and some bcm the thing hangs.
Originally posted by Yorgos View Postkde sc 4 is ugly rock solid, even after 6 years of development, w/o counting the beta.
"whoever owns qt" and kde have been evolving side by side,
when a new piece of shit is announced by the "whoever own qt" company,
kde is policing it and pass it as something wonderful.
they do not even wait for things to get stable, they rush it into production.
I am happy that some DEs are not following what a company releases.
I am not using my computers for browsing fb or twitter, I am using them for production, and rock solid is not something that I can call kde, or gnome to be fair.
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It's too bad that the Plasma5 release won't have the entire collection of new default themes
The panel theme and Window Decorations it has, but not the... QtCurve? theme (whatever it is that governs the general look like a GTK+ theme would) and the new default icon set.
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Originally posted by bakgwailo View PostReally? All of my Intel systems had an Intel wifi card (imagine that), and my AMD systems obviously had other things - I didn't think it would be too hard to parse that.
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