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  • Delgarde
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    Originally posted by johnc View Post
    That speaks volumes about GNOME developers.
    Not really... it happens to any large project. KDE went through the same process with each of it's major revisions, fixing the things that couldn't be fixed without API breakage. It's (mostly) not a problem of bad coding - it's that things change, new code is written to allow for those changes, but you can't get rid of the old code because it's part of your published API that people are supposed to be able to depend on.

    It's even worse in the Windows world, where Microsoft find themselves having to preserve compatibility with their old bugs, the broken behaviour having become a defacto API that they can't touch.

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  • liam
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    Originally posted by finalzone View Post
    Plugins and extension development tooks are available for anyone willing to input above ideas. When deemed effective, it can be ported into the core.
    I've given-up on plugins since they refuse to provide stable hooks that allow deep changes.
    Besides, it's not my job to do this, and my point was to their way of working and how broken it is (like not recording their irc sessions).
    They can message this all they want but that isn't the issue, and it won't bring people back.
    Let's see what happens with Fedora (as the major distribution who uses Gnome) over the next few releases with regards to how they ship gnome.

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  • johnc
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    Originally posted by bwat47 View Post
    And with KDE I have to spend ages messing around in its cluttered settings to change its many poor defaults

    KDE3 > KDE4 was a similar situation
    Yeah I've never spent more than 30 minutes in a KDE desktop in my life. Never really did anything for me.

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  • bwat47
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    Originally posted by johnc View Post
    I kinda get weirded out by the idea that I have to go out and track down plugins and extensions to install just so I can have a usable desktop.
    And with KDE I have to spend ages messing around in its cluttered settings to change its many poor defaults

    Originally posted by johnc View Post
    That speaks volumes about GNOME developers.
    KDE3 > KDE4 was a similar situation
    Last edited by bwat47; 27 August 2013, 07:41 PM.

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  • johnc
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    Originally posted by finalzone View Post
    Yet it is easy to complain rather than writting a plugin or extension for those removed extra functions i.e. Nautilus-open-terminal with right-click.
    I kinda get weirded out by the idea that I have to go out and track down plugins and extensions to install just so I can have a usable desktop.

    Originally posted by bwat47 View Post
    One of the main reason gnome 3 was totally re-written was because the gnome 2 codebase had become an un-maintainable mess.
    That speaks volumes about GNOME developers.

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  • Delgarde
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    Originally posted by bwat47 View Post
    Yeah, I don't see why they didn't just start based on gnome-fallback. gnome-fallback was far from perfect and not nearly as polished as gnome 2, but it was already all ported to gtk3 and would have been a much easier starting point for MATE. Forking gnome 2 and then removing all the cruft *again* was just silly. I get the feeling forking gnome 2 was a purely emotional reaction from the founders of MATE, and then they soon realized how bad gnome 2 had become under the hood lol. One of the main reason gnome 3 was totally re-written was because the gnome 2 codebase had become an un-maintainable mess.
    Yeah, I think they got hung up on the UI aspects of Gnome 2 vs 3, without appreciating that the visual differences actually make up a very small portion of the code...

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  • bwat47
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    Originally posted by Delgarde View Post
    Sure, but most of the Gnome 2 UI code was ported to Gtk+3 along with the rest of it - the old fallback mode was basically the Gtk+3 version of the gnome-panel and metacity, albeit with a few changes to the layout and colour scheme. The MATE guys don't need to waste their time porting their fork of the Gtk+2 code, when the work has already been done and been used in the wild for a few years.

    This is the big mistake the MATE guys made - rather than re-create the Gnome 2 UI on top of the Gnome 3 libraries, they took the Gtk+2 versions with all the cruft that the Gnome guys had since cleaned up, and now they're repeating the work that's already been done...
    Yeah, I don't see why they didn't just start based on gnome-fallback. gnome-fallback was far from perfect and not nearly as polished as gnome 2, but it was already all ported to gtk3 and would have been a much easier starting point for MATE. Forking gnome 2 and then removing all the cruft *again* was just silly. I get the feeling forking gnome 2 was a purely emotional reaction from the founders of MATE, and then they soon realized how bad gnome 2 had become under the hood lol. One of the main reason gnome 3 was totally re-written was because the gnome 2 codebase had become an un-maintainable mess.

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  • finalzone
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    Originally posted by movieman View Post
    This is Gnome. Of course they won't ask users if they want this, because Change is Good! and Features Are Confusing!
    Yet it is easy to complain rather than writting a plugin or extension for those removed extra functions i.e. Nautilus-open-terminal with right-click.

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  • finalzone
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    Originally posted by liam View Post
    I really wish someone other than apple would implement zoom on select. Even with a mouse, precise selection is too fiddly. With touch, its absolutely frustrating.
    My understanding is that apple only has a design patent on the particular zoom implementation of a magnifying glass. What gnome snould do, if they had any interest in REALLY improving experiences (you can tell they don't considering their absurd personas), is implement those kinds of changes instead of futzing with the things they do.
    I wish they wouldn't be left to their own quite so much.
    All they need is ONE actual UX person to lead their design and things would be SO much better...
    Plugins and extension development tooks are available for anyone willing to input above ideas. When deemed effective, it can be ported into the core.

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  • liam
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    I really wish someone other than apple would implement zoom on select. Even with a mouse, precise selection is too fiddly. With touch, its absolutely frustrating.
    My understanding is that apple only has a design patent on the particular zoom implementation of a magnifying glass. What gnome snould do, if they had any interest in REALLY improving experiences (you can tell they don't considering their absurd personas), is implement those kinds of changes instead of futzing with the things they do.
    I wish they wouldn't be left to their own quite so much.
    All they need is ONE actual UX person to lead their design and things would be SO much better...

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