LibreOffice 4.1 Beta Arrives With New Features

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  • Linuxhippy
    Senior Member
    • Jan 2008
    • 389

    #21


    Don't worry, the open source zealo ...
    I actually don't mind trolls if its funny. But this was hardly worth the reading :/

    And don't give me the shit that LibreOffice is free when it's useless. Give us Office. The rest are imitations and wannabes.
    Following your logic, Excel is a Lotus-123 wannabe

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    • GreatEmerald
      Senior Member
      • Sep 2008
      • 3686

      #22
      Originally posted by FLHerne View Post
      - I expect the icon, if there is one, for 'save file' to look like a floppy disk, because that's a standard icon for it.
      LibreOffice (at least on Windows) actually uses an arrow pointing into a folder cabinet for that. It makes much more sense than a floppy disk. If you used programs since the floppy era that used that icon to mean save, that's good and all, but for new people it makes no sense whatsoever. Though with the Oxygen icons, it seems to still use the floppy icon.

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      • brosis
        Senior Member
        • Jan 2013
        • 1171

        #23
        Originally posted by Serge View Post
        Do you believe that an interface does not need to be visually appealing in order to be intuitive?
        Intuition & intuitive is synonym to "habit". There is nothing else behind it.


        Originally posted by BO$$ View Post
        Your name is linuxhippy. That tells me everything I need to know about you. Go to your socialist country and only use god knows what shitty 'open and free' distro you want from the stallman distro page. All the while we use what actually really works and build a more powerful economy with more military and then bomb the shit out of you, you hippy idealists.
        Your name is BO$$. That tells us everything we need to know about you Go to your fashist country and only use god knows what shitty ?closed and patented? windows you want from the gates shop page. All the while we use what actually really works and build a more powerful economy with more science and then put an iron curtain on you, you epistemological nihilists.
        Last edited by brosis; 31 May 2013, 04:43 PM.

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        • GreatEmerald
          Senior Member
          • Sep 2008
          • 3686

          #24
          Originally posted by brosis View Post
          Intuition & intuitive is synonym to "habit". There is nothing else behind it.
          Unless you're new and don't yet have any.

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          • brosis
            Senior Member
            • Jan 2013
            • 1171

            #25
            Originally posted by BO$$ View Post
            'actually really works and build a more powerful economy' - and where have you been until now? Biding your time? More science? Should I remind you how much money do corporations that use closed source (such as Microsoft) actually put in R&D? In fact the more I use open source and the more I read on forums filled with open source zealots the more I begin to form the idea that it's just fanaticism just like those people that line up to buy a new iPhone.

            There is a type of delusional fanaticism that seems to pervade the free software community in which the official fiction is that their way is superior even though it is not actually proven. It's more of a religion. All the proofs that I have read are profoundly unscientific and it's interesting to note how these things form in a community that is actually based on science. There are a lot of applications that don't exist in the open source and that are necessary for people and yet you will ignore this in order to spout more open source propaganda about the superior development model. That doesn't produce the things that people need.

            Anyway it seems Microsoft hasn't actually reintroduced the start menu but just the start button that takes you to metro so maybe open source will have a chance, just because Microsoft seems to be led by retarded people lately. But make no mistake. If they did bring back the windows 7 interface, linux on the desktop would be wiped out and only pointless hippies that will never have any money nor real power would use it.
            Software does not run on money, it runs on bits of information. Now please quit trashtalking and go back to your Internet Sexplorer, it is surely necessary software for you.

            Originally posted by GreatEmerald View Post
            Unless you're new and don't yet have any.
            Yes, infants are preprogrammed and actively start copying their parents from 2 months and up (ie smiling). Genetic programming is (was) a habit as well.
            So, you are never "new" : ) Even teaching how to operate and understand machines, employs analogies to existing habits.
            For example, for human infants rosed by wolves, bicycles are not intuitive, running or bipedal walking are not intuitive. For foreigners, audio interface in other language is not intuitive. For left-handed people right-handed mouse is not intuitive. And so on. There is no intuition, there is only habit (and its nature). Now you know why microsoft is force-preinstalled to all machines since DOS and why they were so hard to give up on it! If people learn (stable) Linux, they will demand similar experience from microsoft - that would mean ms looses a chance to dictate the direction.

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            • brosis
              Senior Member
              • Jan 2013
              • 1171

              #26
              Originally posted by BO$$ View Post
              Haha you're still hallucinating with the illusion of superiority. Just now I tried to add an album in rhythmbox and I mistakenly selected a whole partition for it to check for music instead of only the folder that contained the album. So the damn thing starts scanning the whole partition and there is no fucking way to make it stop. Clicking close only closes the add music interface but it still searches in a background thread. The only way if you fuck up is to quit the application and start it again. These people can't get a fucking music player right and you hope they will get an OS right? And rhythmbox isn't some new shit on the scene. It's been around since 2002. And it still doesn't fucking work (while still being the best since the rest are even worse). They couldn't fucking copy the windows media player interface in all these years? Do they really have to be original in every aspect?
              Fire a fscking bug report like a man, and stop whining like a girl!

              I don?t use rhythmbox (yes, for real), I use QuodLibet. But recently I do have had to install Ubuntu and rhythmbox worked perfectly for me. Fun by side, you should be aware that marking the whole partition as music database has its consequences and that windows media player and rhythmbox are both programs and both coded in C, so it comes only to specific implementation, nothing else.

              Now, rhythmbox runs only on Unix because no one had interest to port it elsewhere, whats about windows media player - has it been made available for your enjoyment? Well, feel free to fire a bug to microsoft to port WMP to Linux, their reaction will give us some good laughs, especially about advantages of closed source crap!

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              • Serge
                Senior Member
                • Feb 2013
                • 295

                #27
                Originally posted by FLHerne View Post
                An interface needs to be consistent (with itself, also with relevant design idioms) and arranged logically to be intuitive. For example:
                - I expect the open/save/new file options to be together, because they're related. Also font configuration etc.
                - I expect the icon, if there is one, for 'save file' to look like a floppy disk, because that's a standard icon for it.
                - I expect there to be one place to set each setting (or at most, a toolbar and a menu entry). The Windows 'control panel' is terrible at this.
                - Following on from the above, I expect changing a setting not to change any other settings, unless it's an explicitly-labelled meta-setting.
                - And so on...

                None of those require it to 'look nice'. I don't care if it's all Win2k-style grey rectangles, as long as the layout and function of those rectangles follows some meaningful pattern. Similarly with icons; it doesn't matter if they're 'pretty', just that they adequately represent whatever it is they're representative of.
                Well, ugly is distracting, at the most basic level, but what I was really talking more about is how appealing visuals can help increase productivity by improving association and thereby reducing cognative load. For a simple example, imagine that when you "delete" a file through a file manager / browser / explorer / voyeur, you get a half-second animation of the icon representing that file flying into the icon representing the trash.

                For the record, I liked the Win2k grey.



                Originally posted by brosis View Post
                Intuition & intuitive is synonym to "habit". There is nothing else behind it.




                Your name is BO$$. That tells us everything we need to know about you Go to your fashist country and only use god knows what shitty ?closed and patented? windows you want from the gates shop page. All the while we use what actually really works and build a more powerful economy with more science and then put an iron curtain on you, you epistemological nihilists.
                Intuition is a disputed concept, but I think most people do not use the word as a synonym for habit. Some definitions of the word actually position it as the opposite of habit.

                My personal favorite definition is that intuition is the process that results from the left and right hemispheres of the brain communicating with each other. From that, I deduce that intuition is possible even with a true blank slate mind that is not encumbered by subconscious programming and past experiences.

                All I am trying to say is, in my opinion, there is a such a thing as the "perfect GUI", in absolute terms, that is not weighed down by baby duck syndrome.

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                • gilboa
                  Senior Member
                  • Oct 2006
                  • 1053

                  #28
                  Originally posted by BO$$ View Post
                  And don't give me the shit that LibreOffice is free when it's useless. Give us Office. The rest are imitations and wannabes.
                  Dear troll,

                  By using the term "US" one can assume that your trollish comments apply to someone besides you.
                  As I, and many of the people around me (including Windows users, BTW) actually prefer that 2000'ish looking LibreOffice over the disaster commonly known as the "Ribbon" interface (or worse still, the "Metro" interface), please edit your comment and use the term "Give me Office".

                  Feel free to continue trolling,
                  - Gilboa
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                  • GreatEmerald
                    Senior Member
                    • Sep 2008
                    • 3686

                    #29
                    Originally posted by gilboa View Post
                    By using the term "US" one can assume that your trollish comments apply to someone besides you.
                    Maybe he meant trolls in general?

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                    • FLHerne
                      Senior Member
                      • Jan 2013
                      • 268

                      #30
                      Originally posted by GreatEmerald View Post
                      LibreOffice (at least on Windows) actually uses an arrow pointing into a folder cabinet for that. It makes much more sense than a floppy disk. If you used programs since the floppy era that used that icon to mean save, that's good and all, but for new people it makes no sense whatsoever. Though with the Oxygen icons, it seems to still use the floppy icon.
                      Interesting, I didn't know that (Oxygen icons here).
                      You don't have to have used a computer since the floppy era to recognise the floppy-save icon - anyone who's used a computer for more than ten minutes will know what it means, because pretty much every program uses it to represent the same function.
                      As an extension of that, any new LO users will be looking for a floppy-icon on the toolbar when they want to save their document, and will then have to re-scan it, looking at each icon and thinking 'what does this represent' until they find the one they want.
                      For buttons where users will have to do that anyway (no standard icon to represent the function) it's of course a good thing to have easily-identifiable icons - but with something as common as 'save' it's counterproductive, because users already know what icon they're looking for even if it doesn't make intrinsic sense.
                      Of course, it would be more intuitive to people who'd never used a computer before, but that'll be a tiny minority of new LO users, and it would still be inconsistent with its surrounding environment - users will still have to learn the meaning of a floppy-icon for every other program out there, and then remember that LO is different.

                      Originally posted by Serge View Post
                      For a simple example, imagine that when you "delete" a file through a file manager / browser / explorer / voyeur, you get a half-second animation of the icon representing that file flying into the icon representing the trash.
                      For the record, I liked the Win2k grey.
                      We'll have to disagree on the first thing - I really hate distracting animations. They're a great way to draw my attention to something I don't need to be looking at (because I did what it's telling me about; that's what caused the animation in the first place) and away from whatever the actual task was.

                      Agreed on the grey though. It didn't try to be 'beautiful' or 'interesting', it just sat there in a neutral way and avoided drawing attention to itself. Which is perfect.
                      Last edited by FLHerne; 02 June 2013, 06:51 AM.

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