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  • #11
    Originally posted by Pawlerson View Post
    Who cares? Such cards are only usable when your music is nothing, but midi files.
    Intel HDA is a "standardised" interface for talking to (simple) audio chips, and as such it has nothing to do with audio quality. As said in the original article, it is for example used for HDMI audio too...

    The problem with internal analog audio is simply that the inside of a laptop/desktop usually has a lot of electromagnetic noise, which is difficult to shield from.

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    • #12
      Originally posted by Pawlerson View Post
      Even notebook users can use USB sound cards. However, I understand not everyone cares about sound quality.
      Sound quality? Are you another Sound Blaster salesman? There is visually () no difference between an integrated and a dedicated sound card, apart from price and CPU usage.

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      • #13
        Originally posted by liam View Post
        What are you talking about? You can do exactly that. That's why we have kernel modules.
        And when they are wrapped up nicely in .debs and .rpm's thats fine. But a .tar.gz is not user-friendly

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        • #14
          Originally posted by bwat47 View Post
          intel sound quality is totally fine for the majority of users.
          Only because they don't know any better, simply because most people have never played with an actual soundcard newer than a SoundBlaster16 or if it was newer were dealing with a Sound Blaster Live! 24-bit which isn't above integrated audio standards.

          Originally posted by Calinou View Post
          Sound quality? Are you another Sound Blaster salesman? There is visually () no difference between an integrated and a dedicated sound card, apart from price and CPU usage.
          Hah, clearly you're part of the previously stated category, because such a statement shows you've never actually listened to a proper modern soundcard, the difference is like going from adlib to "cd music". I want you to try something, either buy or find a friend who has a modern sound card, now holding everything the same try playing an mp3 or an ogg or a game or something with the card and then without it, once you've done that come back to us with the results. It might surprise you.

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          • #15
            Originally posted by Luke_Wolf View Post
            Hah, clearly you're part of the previously stated category, because such a statement shows you've never actually listened to a proper modern soundcard, the difference is like going from adlib to "cd music". I want you to try something, either buy or find a friend who has a modern sound card, now holding everything the same try playing an mp3 or an ogg or a game or something with the card and then without it, once you've done that come back to us with the results. It might surprise you.
            Hello Sound Blaster salesman. I don't want to spend 300 euros on a sound card + an headset (real headsets are wired and have mics, too). Also, I don't have optic fiber (FLAC was created by bzip2 developers, just replace "Xeon" by "optic fiber" in the sentence "Everyone Has A Xeon"), so why would I use lossless compression when lossy (320kbps, 48khz ogg) is more than enough?

            Audiophiles need to stop bragging.
            Last edited by Calinou; 01-29-2013, 07:51 AM.

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            • #16
              Originally posted by Calinou View Post
              Hello Sound Blaster salesman. I don't want to spend 300 euros on a sound card + an headset (real headsets are wired and have mics, too). Also, I don't have optic fiber (FLAC was created by bzip2 developers, just replace "Xeon" by "optic fiber" in the sentence "Everyone Has A Xeon"), so why would I use lossless compression when lossy (320kbps, 48khz ogg) is more than enough?

              Audiophiles need to stop bragging.
              I'm not an audiophile, and you don't need to be to be able to tell that difference because it is very literally like going from adlib to "cd music" just by replacing the card even on $30 speakers, quite frankly whenever I hear the "You don't need a soundcard" It's like someone using pre-sandybridge intel graphics asking why they should use a videocard when gaming. The difference is seriously that much.

              And on the topic of gaming, you know the section in Crysis Warhead, where the troop transport crashes and then things start microstuttering all to hell? That's 3D audio being calculated and the sound codec hammering the CPU with interrupt requests to try to do it, that goes away when you put in a sound card, and it helps to smooth out things in general, because the problem with microstuttering it creates is not CPU Usage, it's that it's interrupting the CPU.

              Oh and while I'm at this: The biggest boost you can do to the performance of your games is not getting a new CPU or a better Video Card (assuming you're starting out with at least a Radeon ?670 level card which current gen integrated graphics are close enough to), though those will help of course but what's really going to give you the biggest boost is actually maxing out your memory and setting up a RAM drive. With a RAM drive and a sound card, a Radeon HD 5770 can play Crysis Warhead completely maxed out at 1080p, and it plays so very different when you do that.
              Last edited by Luke_Wolf; 01-29-2013, 01:14 PM.

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              • #17
                Originally posted by Calinou View Post
                so why would I use lossless compression when lossy (320kbps, 48khz ogg) is more than enough?

                Audiophiles need to stop bragging.
                It's easy to convert lossless to lossy, but impossible lossy to lossless.

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                • #18
                  Originally posted by Luke_Wolf View Post
                  I'm not an audiophile, and you don't need to be to be able to tell that difference because it is very literally like going from adlib to "cd music" just by replacing the card even on $30 speakers, quite frankly whenever I hear the "You don't need a soundcard" It's like someone using pre-sandybridge intel graphics asking why they should use a videocard when gaming. The difference is seriously that much.

                  And on the topic of gaming, you know the section in Crysis Warhead, where the troop transport crashes and then things start microstuttering all to hell? That's 3D audio being calculated and the sound codec hammering the CPU with interrupt requests to try to do it, that goes away when you put in a sound card, and it helps to smooth out things in general, because the problem with microstuttering it creates is not CPU Usage, it's that it's interrupting the CPU.

                  Oh and while I'm at this: The biggest boost you can do to the performance of your games is not getting a new CPU or a better Video Card (assuming you're starting out with at least a Radeon ?670 level card which current gen integrated graphics are close enough to), though those will help of course but what's really going to give you the biggest boost is actually maxing out your memory and setting up a RAM drive. With a RAM drive and a sound card, a Radeon HD 5770 can play Crysis Warhead completely maxed out at 1080p, and it plays so very different when you do that.
                  There is an astounding amount of ridiculously inaccurate information in this post. Sounds cards barely have any effect on game performance these days, most modern games don't even support any kind of sound card hardware acceleration anymore. Justify your sound card purchase all you want, it doesn't make your post any less hyperbolic.

                  Yes a good sound card coupled with very high quality speakers or headphones can produce noticeably better sound quality, but telling people that a sound card will give them a huge boost in gaming performance is completely false.

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                  • #19
                    Originally posted by Luke_Wolf View Post
                    It's like someone using pre-sandybridge intel graphics asking why they should use a videocard when gaming. The difference is seriously that much.
                    If they are playing flash games on facebook, then they probably don't need a dedicated graphics card, or sandybridge graphics. I'm not referring to people that play games like Crysis and don't see why a dedicated sound card would be good, I'm talking about the "joe bloggs" user.

                    For the record, I have a reasonably good dedicated sound card and some reasonably good speakers. I like the sound they make together. I noticed the difference from my onboard sound and my previous speakers. However, I spend (too many) hours per day listening to (losslessly compressed) music and playing games, so it makes enough of a difference to me to be worth the extra money.

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                    • #20
                      Originally posted by bwat47 View Post
                      There is an astounding amount of ridiculously inaccurate information in this post. Sounds cards barely have any effect on game performance these days, most modern games don't even support any kind of sound card hardware acceleration anymore. Justify your sound card purchase all you want, it doesn't make your post any less hyperbolic.

                      Yes a good sound card coupled with very high quality speakers or headphones can produce noticeably better sound quality, but telling people that a sound card will give them a huge boost in gaming performance is completely false.
                      There is an astounding amount of ridiculously inaccurate information in this post, because the author clearly hasn't compared performance with and without, and for that matter didn't get what I was getting at. You're not going to see a significant FPS boost, however you are going to see microstutters related to audio and calculating 3D audio go away because those interrupts go away.

                      and for the record that setup I described is an actual one we've maxed out Crysis Warhead on at 1080p which is to say:
                      Phenom II x4 955
                      16GB DDR3
                      Radeon HD 5770
                      ASUS Xonar
                      2TB WD Caviar Green Drive
                      just.. For the record
                      Last edited by Luke_Wolf; 01-29-2013, 09:08 PM.

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