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  • gens
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    Originally posted by kigurai View Post
    As pointed out, YMMV. Having used both extensively I can safely say that I like GNOME3 better. Apart from the Internet, I have not met a single person that have had any difficulties working with GNOME3.
    And all these people manage to get work done. As far as I know, we are all sane. Although after about 10 posts here, I am starting to doubt on my own sanity
    sanity and internet dont mix dont even try to make sense of all the people posting things (including ofc myself)
    on the other hand, on the internet youl find ppl from different cultures with far different views on what matters then your own culture

    in the end if you like something, nobody's opinion should even matter at all; unless ofc the person if off to destroy what you like so much

    but i dont see how anyone would like their windows grouped
    maybe im just wrong

    bla, who cares, im done making sense
    time to get something usefull done

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  • gens
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    @kigurai

    i couldnt agree more that UI design is a subjective thing
    but this is no small project where a few people can get together and say "we will make the desktop we wanna use and not care about others"

    as that kind of way of thinking shows how much the people that make that decisions care about their, what was at the time huge, userbase
    why should i as a person that loved gnome2 and its customizability respect their decisions

    in fact i took my subjectivity in account and just told what bothers me with gnome3
    when it came out i also sayd what i like about gnome3, and theres plenty things i do

    every DE has good and bad sides, if you think any is perfect you didnt try enough of them

    and to quote from GitS "overspecialization is death"


    @GreatEmerald

    you can easily do anything with mouse only, meaning that you can do anything with fingers only
    everything is big and drag-able
    maybe i didnt spend enough time reading the keyboard shortcuts, but there were many things i couldnt do with standard kb shortcuts

    even if you need a monster tablet to use it normaly, it still looks and acts like something you'd expect from some good android gui
    aint it ironic

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  • kigurai
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    Originally posted by johnc View Post
    I don't see any reason to apologize.
    Then don't.

    I don't doubt that a person can get "real work" done with GNOME Shell. And a person can also clean the carpet with a lint roller. I just question the sanity of any person that would choose to use it for such cases when there are better options available -- including plain old Windows.
    As pointed out, YMMV. Having used both extensively I can safely say that I like GNOME3 better. Apart from the Internet, I have not met a single person that have had any difficulties working with GNOME3.
    And all these people manage to get work done. As far as I know, we are all sane. Although after about 10 posts here, I am starting to doubt on my own sanity

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  • johnc
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    I don't see any reason to apologize.

    I don't doubt that a person can get "real work" done with GNOME Shell. And a person can also clean the carpet with a lint roller. I just question the sanity of any person that would choose to use it for such cases when there are better options available -- including plain old Windows.

    Hey if you can make it work for you and enjoy it and all that, I'm not going to dissuade you from using it.

    I'm just going to call you nuts, that's all.

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  • GreatEmerald
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    Originally posted by gens View Post
    so in my opinion it is obvious that gnome3 was made for a tablet, not for a desktop
    You do realise that tablets usually do not come with a keyboard to begin with, right?

    From what I'm reading, GNOME 3 must be horrible for tablets. It relies on hotkeys and uses LLVMpipe, with which the low-powered devices have a whole lot of problems.

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  • kigurai
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    Originally posted by gens View Post
    hmm, yes it can be interpreted as arrogant
    i apologies if it insulted you, let me clarify
    No harm done!

    my point is that gnome3 is due to its little quirks not so good as for example gnome2 or any other with tabs or a "normal" alt+tab behavior
    And there we disagree.

    and i did say something constructive, i sayd that grouping tasks in alt+tab is bad for having many similar windows open
    I think it works well. I have no problem using it with e.g. Matlab, which spawns lot of windows.

    its not about complaining about "my stile dosent work so good here", its about not being able to change any basic behavior and having a stile forced upon you
    do your thing but respect others
    Yes, GNOME changed. And people were pissed. The rational thing to do is either see if the new style works for you, or find something else. I am not sure where the "spew hate on Internet" part fits in. Also, not directed at you personally, but you do keep suggesting that GNOME3 is objectively worse. Which I doubt is true, if it is even measurable.

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  • gens
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    hmm, yes it can be interpreted as arrogant
    i apologies if it insulted you, let me clarify

    real work can be done on ANY desktop environment
    actually if you dont need firefox, it can be done on a tty easily

    my point is that gnome3 is due to its little quirks not so good as for example gnome2 or any other with tabs or a "normal" alt+tab behavior


    also sry i wasnt clear, the point about calling ppl trolls because they think differently was due to some post 1-2 pages ago where some1 called such user a troll
    it was not pointed at you

    and i did say something constructive, i sayd that grouping tasks in alt+tab is bad for having many similar windows open
    like having firefox open and a commercial opens another firefox window and starts playing jingles or just wastes your cpu with useless flash ads


    its not about complaining about "my stile dosent work so good here", its about not being able to change any basic behavior and having a stile forced upon you
    do your thing but respect others

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  • kigurai
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    Originally posted by gens View Post
    only problem i got with it is that i dont like tabed terminals so i got a minimum of 3 terminals per virtual desktop

    isnt the point of the desktop environment to give you windows/apps/whatever and stay out of your way ?
    i want 3+ terminals in one virtual desktop, so gnome3 users will hate me and call me a troll ?

    but for a more normal(firefox only) user gnome3 is pretty good
    i got it on the computer my family uses
    I can't speak for all "GNOME3 users", but personally I could not care less how you organize your work. Do whatever fits you best.
    What I do not like is the constant "GNOME3 is not for people doing real work" (like your comment above), because it is arrogant, and not true.
    And most of all, it is not constructive at all. It helps no one.
    Last edited by kigurai; 11-22-2012, 11:06 AM. Reason: clarification, also sanity.

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  • gens
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    @kigurai
    thats actually a good plan, you got a nice setup there

    only problem i got with it is that i dont like tabed terminals so i got a minimum of 3 terminals per virtual desktop



    isnt the point of the desktop environment to give you windows/apps/whatever and stay out of your way ?
    i want 3+ terminals in one virtual desktop, so gnome3 users will hate me and call me a troll ?

    but for a more normal(firefox only) user gnome3 is pretty good
    i got it on the computer my family uses

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  • 3coma3
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    Too little, too late (specially too little)

    This is just another account of how amazingly full of shit the GNOME team (Red Hat, let's just call it with it real name) continues to be. On one hand they continue NACKing the problems with their environment people have been shouting into their ears from the last two years -at least-; while now on the other they tacitally ACK them but in the same vein they do everything: arrogantly, reluctantly, thinking only about control.

    As clearly showed in this eye-opening essay (and the numerous links and comments that spawned in many levels deep), the GNOME team themselves have made clear both extensions and themes are detrimental to their goal of tight CONTROL over every aspect of your involvement with GNOME, whether you are a mere user, a theme or extension dev, a third app dev, or a distro dev.

    So much for the argument that "Gnome shell sucks less because you can make it so by using extensions". People, they DON'T WANT THAT. They themselves say it loudly and clearly and without a trace of regret. They *won't* change what you expect them to change. Just read carefully the linked post above. They broke the extensions and themes on each release intentionally. Now they "tackle" this issue...

    At this point what they are asking themselves is this:

    "how do we attempt to save our project while NOT having to ackowledge the criticism, and NOT having to drop an inch of control??".

    Answer: We take control of the extensions, and not third parties.

    For them it is a good solution, they tackle many angles at once: tighten control, avoid change, pretend change, do something about public oppinion.

    In the end the outcome will be decided by the sum of the personal choice each of us has to make between "do I stop, do I stand back against people that are against what this OS was always about, do I turn my back on them and take some weight on me" or "I need the short term gain of not distracting myself with ackowledging there is a problem here and reacting to it: that myself, as a user, as a contributor to this scene am not in these people plans". Do you keep pluging your ears and go "lalalalalala everything is awesome" like these people want you to do?.

    You may call me delusional, I won't give a shit. I think many of the people that have been here from the beginning in the nineties, haven't (or haven't completely yet) forgot the struggles and years of effort on part of each member in this community to get to where we got a few years ago. The issue here is *money*. The issue here is *companies wanting to subvert Linux ecosystems for money*. Just take a look at what company employees the key GNOME devs are, for christ sake. To the younger, uninformed people: educate yourselves, don't take for granted what you have now, and yes, *fight* to conserve your power over it. If you are "just" a user, your power resides in your CHOICE, and in your OPPINION. If you are a dev, you also have the power of FORK, the power of NOT PLAYING THE GAME.

    Oh and hi to all. This is my first post (registered to say this).

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