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  • devius
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    Originally posted by wizard69 View Post
    However none of them are worth a damn when it comes to getting work done in the way that Mac OS is. Even the Mac has buggy apps but at least Apple gets the core features to work right.
    That being said Linux still has a place in my house. I just see it as a crime to try to sell it as a effective replacement for the likes of Mac OS.
    Well, the core Mac OS file manager (Finder) is pretty much terrible. I can get work done, when it comes to managing files, much quicker in any Linux file manager available today. Also, getting work done usually involves opening programs and using them, so how is Mac OS so much better? I use both on a daily basis and I don't see much difference at all when it comes to "getting work done" (apart from managing files like I said earlier).

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  • kraftman
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    Originally posted by wizard69 View Post
    frankly I have a lot of problems with GPL 3 as do some of the kernel developers, with much of open source moving to this anti freedom license it seems to be out of place to whine about software freedom.
    GPL 3 is not a problem, but some freedom hostile environments like the shitty Apple one.

    Beyond that are you even remotely aware of what Mac OS/X is and Apples contribution to open source development?
    This is meaningless and it's just PR bullshit and not contribution that helps Open Source to compete with Apple. I heard Linus feeds polar bears and that's a true contribution to the entire world of nature!

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  • kraftman
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    Originally posted by wizard69
    none of them are worth a damn when it comes to getting work done in the way that Mac OS is
    No kidding. Traditional desktops like KDE and Windows just kills this and most people agree.

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  • ninez
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    Originally posted by asdx
    I didn't say KDE was my project you fucking dumbass, I said that if people contributed to projects we would be much better off right now than those who don't contribute anything and just use what we work so hard on "see nvidia" (aka the leech).
    firstly, you DID claim some sort of ownership, your said 'our software' - which implies ownership. Secondly i never claimed that you said KDE was YOUR project. So you presuppose that i said something that i didn't and your calling me a dumbass? that is pretty funny, you fucking duchebag chump.

    Thirdly, How exactly is Nvidia leeching from OSS, exactly? (they aren't!). One could easily say that Nouveau is leeching off of Nvidia's blob, though. - ie: it wouldn't even exist without Nvidia's blob. Nvidia also has and does contribute to some oss projects, X.org is an example of one of them. They also have been pretty good about making their development tools available, free of charge. Nvidia can't even leech anything. being as the GPL blocks them from being able to do so. 'export GPL' also doesn't allow them to use/leech onto existing kernel interfaces.

    so explain to me how they are 'leeching', exactly - or is your use of he word 'leeching' just incorrect, here?

    Originally posted by asdx
    Also, I didn't said that KDE was my own project, that's ridiculous, I said that I'm a proud user for my own contributions, I have contributed to projects than most people here, I fixed tons of bugs in many different open source software, and you are probably benefiting right now from my own contributions, so if you don't like what I say GTFO.
    Stop repeating yourself, you just wrote the same thing above (KDE related).

    I doubt you've contributed more than some other users in this forum, we see some very well-known developers around here (ie: people who work for Redhat, AMD or heavy contributors to X.org, etc). How many millions of people are using applications that you are the original author of, exactly??? Furthermore, you're not the only one around here whom has contributed to OSS projects, so if were expecting me to marvel at your bug fixes - to be honest i don't really give a fuck. I doubt you are a heavy contributor to any of the projects/software that i use daily, and are actually important to me.

    Do yourself a favor and just shut the fuck up, seriously. - or maybe you should go back to one of the nvidia threads and tell us for the umpteenth time "fuck you, nvidia" ~ as if Adsx' position even matters or has any bearing on anything.

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  • TheBlackCat
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    Originally posted by mcinsand View Post
    KDE and Enlightenment are my main desktops, and am very happy with KDE except for one thing: Dolphin. The menus disappeared, and I have to go to Google to figure out even some of the most basic operations, such as viewing hidden directories.
    Uh, you can turn the menu on. And showing hidden files is a two-click operation, I am not sure how anyone could make it any simpler without putting it right in the toolbar (which you can do if you really want to). It is also the same number of clicks as older versions of dolphin.

    Originally posted by mcinsand View Post
    I had made peace with the earlier Dolphin... but only after turning off that single_click_to_open nonsense with a fresh install. Granted, turning it off wasn't a big deal, but selecting and moving files around is much more difficult with it on. Why would the default be having the single-click option on? That's the sort of thing that would be done on a Macintoy.
    A lot of people like it that way. It takes one additional click to move something, and one less to open. What do you do more often, move files or folders or open files or folders? I personally open things much more often than I move them. Even when I am moving, it is usually between folders, so it still saves clicks using single-click mode. You may not like it as much that way from personal preference, but a lot of people like it. The default has to be one or the other, so they made a judgement call.

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  • mcinsand
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    I love KDE but loathe Dolphin

    KDE and Enlightenment are my main desktops, and am very happy with KDE except for one thing: Dolphin. The menus disappeared, and I have to go to Google to figure out even some of the most basic operations, such as viewing hidden directories. If a person developed Dolphin, then maybe the UI would make sense, but it's a royal pain for a newbie. Well, I'm not a total newbie; I had made peace with the earlier Dolphin... but only after turning off that single_click_to_open nonsense with a fresh install. Granted, turning it off wasn't a big deal, but selecting and moving files around is much more difficult with it on. Why would the default be having the single-click option on? That's the sort of thing that would be done on a Macintoy.

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  • kraftman
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    Originally posted by phoen1x View Post
    Are You serious? It's just pure nonsense. Try to use latest linux software updates and You will see what breaks for no reason, linux or windows. And Windows 7 is the most stable OS i've ever used. Seriously don't make this thread linux vs windows. One and biggest thing that KDE needs is User Interface polishing. Now it's grey with ugly (IMO) icons.
    It's not a nonsense. I did and everything works nice as always with Kubuntu updates. You don't use K/Ubuntu where updates are usually painless, right? For me Kubuntu is rock stable. Win7 it used to break many things with upgrades - ADO, calendar, IE, xnview etc. You suggest him to not make this Linux vs Windows thread, but you're actually doing this.

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  • kraftman
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    Originally posted by birdie View Post
    I quite agree with you that Windows has its share of problems and often they are much more severe than those we have in Linux.

    However the problem is the people (leaving Windows and) trying Linux expect a perfectly stable, fast and bug-free system, and Linux is not such a system. People don't want to tinker with Linux, they do it all the time with Windows because Windows likes to break for almost no reasons.
    The problem is they consider desktop distributions to be like that. There's Debian, RHEL which are perfectly stable, fast and bug-free and there are desktop distributions that are usually much more bleeding edge. While we're talking about desktop distributions what you wrote is true, but let's not put entire Linux into mix. Let's focus on Ubuntu which is the main desktop distribution. Ubuntu is in the best position to address things you mentioned, because it's developed at a single company which has QA and test farms that will pay off in the near future.

    You are obviously wrong about regressions in the Linux kernel, maybe because you haven't filed a single bug report against the kernel, and on my part I read LKML and keep a close eye on the kernel's bugzilla.
    There's no option to make comparison. What's left for you is to compare entire operating systems, because of an obvious reason - there's no windowskernel.org etc. lkml is about every Linux kernel version (including development one) and the same about bugzilla, so they're meaningless when counted as a whole (and they're about every single architecture - not just "PC"). They're also using git which allows to easily revert things. Scan proved Linux kernel has very high quality:

    http://scan.coverity.com/rung1.html

    There's no Windows or OS X, because they're not open source, but there are some BSD systems and SCAN shows Linux has higher quality. However, there's another report that shows Open Source code is usually better than proprietary:

    http://www.h-online.com/open/news/it...e-1443437.html

    and another one showing they're on pair:

    http://coverity.com/html/press/open-...an-report.html

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  • ChrisXY
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    Originally posted by wizard69 View Post
    I thought I made it pretty clear that Linuxis still useful to me, it is just not the place for desktop productivity.
    I don't see where I did doubt that.

    Originally posted by wizard69 View Post
    It isn't over top to express an opinion? Further my praise was pretty specific.
    "Best move I've every made was buying a MBP in 2008 and giving up on Linux as my desktop productivity space."
    Best move every?

    "However none of them are worth a damn when it comes to getting work done in the way that Mac OS is."
    Not worth "a damn"?

    Really?

    Originally posted by wizard69 View Post
    frankly I have a lot of problems with GPL 3 as do some of the kernel developers, with much of open source moving to this anti freedom license it seems to be out of place to whine about software freedom.
    Now we're getting closer.

    Originally posted by wizard69 View Post
    Beyond that are you even remotely aware of what Mac OS/X is and Apples contribution to open source development?
    Yes.

    Originally posted by wizard69 View Post
    Isn't that pretty much the case?

    Boring? I'm not here to write my life's story, rather I just pointed out my experience on the desktop! If you had controlled yourself a bit instead of getting bent out of shape you might have noticed that I still use Linux.
    My rule of thumb is that if I can reverse the post and there's nothing that doesn't make sense afterwards it's probably not worth reading.

    That's what I mean:

    Best move I've every made was installing KDE in 2008 and giving up on Mac OS as my desktop productivity space. Penz is apparently wrong and doesn't reflect my feelings I had back in 2008.

    The only difference is I never got involved in the Aqua madness even when Mac OS was my desktop environment. Even in those earlier days it was obvious that Aqua was a mess, I'll conceived and not going anywhere. Four years later it looks like things haven't improved one bit for Aqua.

    If you wrote why you think KDE/QT was a mess and why it wasn't going anywhere I couldn't have just reversed it.

    [...](no choice of desktops on Mac OS)

    Aqua was always a whore as far as resources and usability goes grossly outclassed by other Windows managers and desktop environments when it came to reliability and ease of use.[/b]

    To prevent that reversal you could have written in what way other window managers and desktop environments are more reliable and easier to use.

    However none of them are worth a damn when it comes to getting work done in the way that KDE is. Even KDE has buggy apps but at least KDE gets the core features to work right.

    Why do you get more done in Mac OS? In what way does it get the "core features" more right than the desktop environments you have used?

    [...](Don't know about iOS integration and why it should be important for my productivity)

    That being said Mac OS still has a place in my house. I just see it as a crime to try to sell it as a effective replacement for the likes of KDE.

    You still haven't told my why
    You can sure point out your experience but unfortunately it was in a way that told me pretty much nothing.
    Last edited by ChrisXY; 06-28-2012, 03:06 AM.

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  • Hamish Wilson
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    Originally posted by wizard69 View Post
    If you had controlled yourself a bit instead of getting bent out of shape you might have noticed that I still use Linux.
    How is that getting bent out of shape when you said:

    Originally posted by wizard69 View Post
    I just see it as a crime to try to sell it as a effective replacement for the likes of Mac OS..
    So I am doing something criminal by using Linux on the desktop? And you were saying he was out of line?

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