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The title of the post is actually good. Linux land is a land of struggle. Struggle to become a viable desktop alternative and so on. It`s interesting tho progress is here, slowly but it is. Who know what future will bring in linux land in 4-5 year from now:P.
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Originally posted by deanjo View PostI respectfully disagree. If it is maintained as a "hobby" that is a problem and a serious one at that. Like it or not it does leave a bad impression to have associated "banner" web sites for your product to go down for extended periods of time especially when it served as a mirror for many distro's. Those sites were getting 100k plus hits a day all the way back in 1999 and has grown considerably since then.
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Originally posted by adriankx View PostI think he`ll keep it down for 1 month or so since redhat novell ibm and others still pay him! This is not a security flaw its a dam embarasment , THE kernel hacker THE ONE got hacked.
Originally posted by adriankx View PostNext thing u know will hear redhat.com down opensuse.org and novel down and now forget ubuntu! In the end security on linux its becoming more of a bluff the good side is that at least malware is kept away from linux ecosistems
Not that I know why I'm responding to an obvious troll, probably because Valencia vs Chelsea is a pretty boring match atm.
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Linus doesnt care!
Even the most lame site has a backup and a disaster recovery center! When a flagship site like kernel.org is down for +1 month its a big. Linus doest care about the bloat these days in linux kerne, doesnt care about recent kernel regresion and this way of thinking will continue to go on as long as big players still cash in their money! I think he`ll keep it down for 1 month or so since redhat novell ibm and others still pay him! This is not a security flaw its a dam embarasment , THE kernel hacker THE ONE got hacked. Cmon ! i onestly thought that that at least developers of kernel the best there can be in linux land, but guess we are wrong. I think its time for all of us search for trojans and rootkits in near future! If this happend now it will happen again! A message was just sent kernel.org can be easily hacked! Next thing u know will hear redhat.com down opensuse.org and novel down and now forget ubuntu! In the end security on linux its becoming more of a bluff the good side is that at least malware is kept away from linux ecosistems ... yet! Who know since opensource is based on a principle we offer u something free so if u dont like fix it urself or switch, i other words no one gives a fuck. I dont see linux get better as it was a few years a go. It goes backwards, kernel flaws , linux desktop gnome3 , unity inovation for the sake of inovation. Couse u see those little developers behind gnome thought: HMM everybody its getting used to our gnome our DE and linux , not good we arent a unique breed anymore lets mess all things up rearange them so that when a nuub sees that Mr. and Mrs. gnome3 developer doing something in that DE to think hmmm he must be smart to be able to use something in this crap interface. Good thing that after many years Kde is finaly becoming stable. and XFCE and LXDE all good because u still have a choice!
All some of us want its a little a bit security and stability. Try now praising the linux virtues to even a techie orientate windows lover and explain how kernel.org and linux.com down for more than a month!
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Originally posted by deanjo View PostAgain by bad press. A headline like "Linux sites suffer 10+% downtime in 2011 due to security breach" certainly doesn't do them any favors nor does it instill great confidence in a product that is supposed to be better security wise then the competition.
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Deanjo? You're going to have to explain yourself better or your points aren't even worth addressing. You posit that competence can somehow overcome the fundamental flaw of being human and then put forward the idea that a duct tape patch on the same infrastructure would be sufficient despite the vector of root escalation not being known (but not before you took a potshot at Linus by taking one quote out of the greater context of its discussion and the aftermath amounting to agreement and a good laugh).
You have a good point about them needing better disaster readiness, but that's ancillary to the question of response quality in reality. Your responses seem to indicate that "magic" is a valid hardening technique for systems. but I'd love to be proven wrong, and there's some way of thoroughly pessimising a system that doesn't involve know-how and experience, but I doubt it.
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Originally posted by XorEaxEax View PostI don't think of deanjo as a zelot, which to me is someone who is a fanatic and I don't think he is, although he's certainly a bsd partisan.
Ehh? Disaster? Development went on practically uninterrupted (I just built and installed the latest rc).
Again deanjo is unpleasantly surprised over the fact that the slow return of kernel.org hasn't started a massive shitstorm.
But the answer is obvious, not kernel.org nor the Linux Foundation webstite are in any way a vital part of Linux development, as proven by this situation.
As for the breach itself, from what has surfaced someone with root access has had his account credentials compromised and that account has been used to deploy a rootkit which in turn has been fishing for other credentials. Obviously no security system can protect itself from a malicious user with proper credentials for a root account, so the real question is how the credentials were compromised in the first place and if security policies can be aended to prevent something like this from happening again.
I don't see how Linux has come out stronger from this,
nor can I see how it has come out weaker. It has perhaps highlighted the flexibility of it's development model (by simply moving the project temporarily to github) but I doubt that was news to anyone.
I certainly think that there will be a focus on security procedures and a tightening of account privileges, but again I can't see how this has any measurable effect on 'Linux'.
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Originally posted by timofonic View PostDespite his zealotry
Originally posted by timofonic View PostIt's obvious this is a disaster for Linux
Originally posted by timofonic View PostAnyway, Linux ecosystem has a long Nietzschean-like way: Which does not kill Linux, makes it stronger.
Originally posted by timofonic View PostSo I think this will result in something to manage Linux Foundation's services in a lot more professional way and also a motivation to innovate in them.
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Originally posted by XorEaxEax View PostSummary: deanjo is disappointed that there hasn't been a big backlash due to the lenghty downtime of linux.org. As a bsd proponent he has a dislike for Linux and perhaps more towards Linus due to a (admittedly shitty) remark where bsd developers where compared to masturbating monkeys. As such he wants this breach to reflect as badly as possible on Linux as a whole. *yawn* more bsd<->linux zelot mudslinging...
It's obvious this is a disaster for Linux and must be a lesson for Linux Foundation and the community itself. Anyway, Linux ecosystem has a long Nietzschean-like way: Which does not kill Linux, makes it stronger.
- One of the big things was the BitKeeper controversy, this resulted in Git.
- The SCO controversy implied to different parties like Novell, IBM, Red Hat, Linux and others. Finally the copyrights got resolved and Novell was the one owning the UNIX copyrights, that is positive because (still) being a Linux-based company.
So I think this will result in something to manage Linux Foundation's services in a lot more professional way and also a motivation to innovate in them.
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