KDE Developers Discuss Merging Libraries With Qt

[deanjo]

Is it deprecated? i didn't know that..

Anyway, they have indeed added a way cooler multimedia framework so it would make sense. Phonon is still good though.

Yup phonon is replaced with Qt Multimedia and Qt Mobility.

[markg85]

Phonon is deprecated in QT.

Is it deprecated? i didn't know that..

Anyway, they have indeed added a way cooler multimedia framework so it would make sense. Phonon is still good though.

[deanjo]

! Remember phonon? It was developed by KDE devs and adapted by Qt because it was simply good.

Phonon is deprecated in QT.

[deanjo]

Considering that KDE is completely dependent on QT this proposal only makes sense.

[markg85]

It is funny. When in another old thread i said that KDE is just a tech demo from Qt developers designed to showcase Qt's abilities, many people said that i do not know what i am talking about... That this is FUD. Well... explain this smart guys... For this discussion to even happen, it proves my point...

Sure, KDE is a community project. Sure, some people from all over the world contribute to it. But it's core team that drives it, is from Trolltech. Trolltech points, they follow. It is that simple.

Imagine if the GNOME guys talked about merging gtk3 libs with GNOME libs...

You are so wrong now.
Here is how it really works.
SOME KDE developers are SPONSORED by Qt and some other KDE developers work for Qt. Or you can turn it the other way around. Some Qt developers also work on KDE. But it's certainly not the case that Qt points and KDE leads.. hell no! Remember phonon? It was developed by KDE devs and adapted by Qt because it was simply good.

PS: I use KDE now myself. The bugs that plagued me in the past are fixed, and it is reasonably stable now. I got bored with GNOME 2.32 showing no progress and made the switch. I also joined the Greek localization team of KDE to provide some translations. Just noting it just in case someone calls me troll or fanboy again...

Bugs.. hehe digg some deeper there are a lot more then you know ^_^

[markg85]

@Michael thank you for not choosing a misleading title

I think the general idea is a good one but not really possible to get to in "one" go.. I think the kdelibs (and kdepimlibs) first need to be seperated in smaller managable Qt modules. Once that's done the steps aren't far to merge to Qt, but even then there will just always be KDE parts that just won't suit Qt thus they will have to remain in separate Qt modules.

Also recently Qt posted a blog message indicating they what to be more modular : http://labs.qt.nokia.com/2010/10/26/...going-modular/ so for that i think it would be wise to go with modules for now and not merging.

My guess is that in the end some Qt KDE modules are created with the parts that simply don't fit or belong to Qt and the rest might get merged.

Don't forget that this idea requires 2 parties to agree! KDE and Qt!

[TemplarGR]

It is funny. When in another old thread i said that KDE is just a tech demo from Qt developers designed to showcase Qt's abilities, many people said that i do not know what i am talking about... That this is FUD. Well... explain this smart guys... For this discussion to even happen, it proves my point...

Sure, KDE is a community project. Sure, some people from all over the world contribute to it. But it's core team that drives it, is from Trolltech. Trolltech points, they follow. It is that simple.

Imagine if the GNOME guys talked about merging gtk3 libs with GNOME libs...

PS: I use KDE now myself. The bugs that plagued me in the past are fixed, and it is reasonably stable now. I got bored with GNOME 2.32 showing no progress and made the switch. I also joined the Greek localization team of KDE to provide some translations. Just noting it just in case someone calls me troll or fanboy again...

[curaga]

IMO Qt is too big already. Tagging in another 100mb of KDE libs is not going to improve things.

[DeepDayze]

It's nice and all that they are so passionately debating it, but isn't it completely pointless until they at least know that upstream would consider it. I mean merging back always requires two parties acceptance, so if Nokia says no, it's a no-go. So I don't understand why the make all this fuss about it, if they don't even know what the other "side" thinks.

Absolutely! As QT is owned by Nokia, Nokia will definitely need to be involved in such discussions at all levels. If they support this, then it'll then be much much easier

[bash]

It's nice and all that they are so passionately debating it, but isn't it completely pointless until they at least know that upstream would consider it. I mean merging back always requires two parties acceptance, so if Nokia says no, it's a no-go. So I don't understand why the make all this fuss about it, if they don't even know what the other "side" thinks.